Exactly. The question is, do team sheets in a format with tera do the following:
If you hate Smogon so much, why are you here?
Where exactly did I say that? XY OU & gen 7 OU are some of my favorite metas in anything ever. Interesting how me saying there’s a world outside of 6v6 singles = me hating smogon lol.
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When other formats do something, it’s always important to consider why and if it applies to singles and tournament in a positive way. While the reason for team sheets is largely due to scouting networks at irl 1 weekend events, it does remove the guessing game that some believe makes tera uncompetitive. A Pokémon with a coverage move that matches its tera type is going to be treated differently than a Pokémon with tera ghost only to block spins. Or a Pokémon with tera water for the defensive typing and not for coverage. Or a Pokémon that boosts it’s already strong stab option. This allows you to make more informed decisions and in my opinion, leads the better player to win more often.
What is your opinion on team sheets in smogon 6v6, if tera was to remain in the format? The reason it was brought up may have been because of vgc implementing it, however I would like to keep the topic strictly to its potential effect on smogon 6v6 tournament as a solution to the upcoming Tera suspect test.
Team sheets might work in the best-of-3 VGC format, I’ll give you that, but not every Smogon tournament follows that format. I don’t really follow official tournaments—I’m mostly a ladder/roomtour player—but from what little research I’ve done, it seems that not knowing your opponent’s sets is a fairly important part of Smogon tournament philosophy. Most tournaments mete out harsh punishments for leaking team information before a game, and although team sheets at the beginning of each game technically wouldn’t count as leaking (because it doesn’t give you any time to counterteam), some rulesets also forbid you from asking about your opponent’s sets during a battle, so I presume team sheets would be at odds with this rule. For me personally, I just don’t like the idea of team sheets because it defeats the concept of lures and other novel strategies that take advantage of incomplete information. The unpredictability factor of Tera isn’t the main thing I have a problem with, which is why I think that “revealing Tera at team preview” won’t actually work as an option. The main problems I have are that it enables too much broken stuff and that it tips the meta way too far towards certain playstyles.
The one thing I want to clarify is team sheets do not include stat distribution but do include item/moves and tera. But you make a good point. Do you think it would change too much about tournament just to keep tera around? Or is tera important enough for the formats identity that a bigger change is worth it to keep it competitive in tournament.
Garganacl is kinda frustrating at times but its mainly because you putting resources into phisical attackers and special walls for Chi Yu and other things, i like to counter garga by tera water chi yu and using [INDUSTRIAL SECRET] with Energy Ball, these fuckers never see it coming, one thing to note its that some garga use tera fairy, so be aware and try to force tera
I’m aware that they don’t include stat distributions, but knowing the movesets is the main gripe I have with them. I don’t think we should be bending over backwards just to keep Tera around—we didn’t do the same for Dynamax, even though there was that whole extra group of people that wanted to keep Dynamax on Gigantamax mons only. If any action is taken, it should be an outright ban. But this discussion is better suited for the dedicated Tera thread (especially since I accidentally keep confusing that one with this one because we’re talking about Tera in here now).
I haven't heard anything about Tera team preview needing to include the move sets. Just the Tera type.
I was talking about team sheets in general. I don’t really have a problem with showing Tera type at team preview, I just think it will lead to a lot of “oh joy, now I know my team is about to be ground into mulch by EKiller Dragonite/physical Dragapult/Chi-Yu With More STAB™/No-Skill Ostrich/Annihilape/Acrobatics Roaring Moon/Chien-Pao instead of being only 99% sure”. In the case of Tera, knowing you’re screwed doesn’t make you less screwed and that’s part of the problem. It’s like giving a skydiver a paper detailing exactly how hard they’ll hit the ground instead of a parachute (or, you know, not throwing them out of a plane in the first place).
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Yes and no. Knowing which Tera a Pokémon is at least let's you plan accordingly and reasonably revenge kill things. Sure, brute force Tera still works. It's a muti-faceted problem, though. You got to limit some of the brute force stuff with the double STAB.
Lots of competitive games have timers lol. I'm not even going to bother listing any because it's so freaking common.
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Good set but Mach Punch is a way better option than CC because it picks off faster mons
Mud-Slap Dunsparce is an objectively terrible set and losing to it is 100% a skill issue. It loses to any Flying-type with a base stat total above zero. You can also just switch out to remove the Accuracy drop; it’s not like Dunsparce can realistically do anything to any Pokémon.
