Terrain moves are to increase resistances, as apparently GF create this things to buff grounded pokemons.
Agree, I actually think the 50% bonus damage is completely excessive because 65 BP is already dealing some solid damage.
The meta was way less offensive back in 4th gen, when Skamory still manage to wall the majority of the phyiscal meta. And hell, we now call something a counter when it bearly survives a 2HKO.
It seems as though weather has become more of a concentrated strategy for one or two Pokémon as opposed to an entire team in Gen VI, though Pokémon like Charizard seem to benefit ridiculously from it's newly found Drought. I also feel as though now that Defog and Mandibuzz are more common, entry hazards are not as easy to set up or really all that necessary in order to snag KOs with the power creep, as well.adman2 said:
Personal experience is a very tricky beast. Chances are you just happened to make a team of pokemon that can handle Lucario well, I coincidentally did the same thing back when MegaMom was OU. He does take some skill to use, or at least caution, as he is rather frail and will die to Super Effective or stronger STAB hits. I also think that you may not have faced very skilled players with Luke... when something's as hyped as Luke is, people begin to almost expect too much from it and play too recklessly. Again, this was noticeable when the currently banned megas were OU, people would send in their Kangas and Gengars against pokemon that they really shouldn't have. I would suggest you give Luke a try yourself (for many battles- apply scientific method, multiple tests are required!) and see how it does.
Well the thing is that, if i look through the viability ranking thread, i cant find a single pokemon that couldnt deal lots of dmg lucario. I mean even Sylveons hypervoice deals like 70% to it without any Satk investment. The only way i can think off is to bring him in against something that he threatens to ohko and then hope that the opponent will switch out so u get a setup opportunity. I would realy like to know how more experienced players use him, what they setup on etc because i dont realy get it...
Well, the issue here is that you are unlikely to give him the second hit before he swept your entire team after set up, and the difficulty of revenge killing this thing is not by any mean little.
Trying to learn to play double bird core, thanks for the replay! To input my own two-cents: I found that having a wish passer/cleric is extremely useful for the dual bird core. Not sure if double bird is supposed to be a HO thing, but a cleric such as sylveon running Hyper Voice/Wish/Protect/Heal Bell allows wish passes and status clearing which both the birds greatly appreciate. In particular, Staraptor gets a reputation as a Kamikaze fighter- but you can prolong its longevity and allow it to throw more Brave Birds by passing it wishes.
Not realy. Many scarfer and other pokes with higher base speed than mega luce can survive an +2 Espeed/Bulletpunch at full health. Even Greninja has a 50% chance to survive an espeed hit without any def investment, Scarfed Infernape has only a 6% chance of falling to an espeed, Noivern always lives one hit on full life and all of them can ko back, even if lucario is at full life. Terrakion only has to worry about bullet punch, espeed does nothing... Skarmory can take one hit and whirlwind him out and so on. Without SR on the field and/or prior dmg on every possible check a full sweep from lucario is rather unlikely imo.
Staraptor and Talonflame aren't Pokemon you switch into, they're so frail they can get OHKO'd by anything, really.. wishpassing is cool but I don't think it would work for the double birds.
Idk, I've found that sometimes you know you can survive certain attacks, so I switch in and take the hit. As long as it doesn't OHKO, the wish will restore 63% of staraptor's life, which I've found to be worth it. I'd post a replay of this being an important part of my game, but I haven't played for a long time and my bracket is low so I won't do it until I reach a higher bracket.
The scarfer argument is something that has been brought up for literally every offensive pokemon. It applies to them all, from Mewtwo to Sawk, and so really can't be used as a point in MLuke's disfavor. Problem is, most of MLuke's checks lack recovery and MLuke double resists SR, so it can just switch in multiple times in a match and weaken it's checks over time. Also, when the only other way to deal with MLuke is a scarfer that can only come in when something else dies, that creates a big problem. Namely, that something will have to die every time MLuke comes in so you can send in you scarfer, only for MLuke to switch out...
Its not my intention to disregard lucario or something. Photofluid said that once he has setup its unlikely that anything will hit him and that statement is just wrong. There are a lot of things that are faster, can take an priority hit and ko back, scarfers are just a part of those things.
Given Lucarios frailty i realy doubt that he can switch in and out multiple times like that, he will also be worn down very quickly and the lower his health gets the more checks he gets because the amount of dmg needed to take him out drops with every switch in.
He can't switch in on damaging attacks, that's true. However, most walls except those with paralysis or burn if he's a physical variant can be easily switched in on, particularly Blissey, Forretress, M-Venusaur, or just about anything else. He can also come in when something dies. The problem with Megaluke is that he has very few counters or checks, many anti-ban people say "scarfers" when said argument is almost completely irrelevant to banning. Uber pokemon can be scarf revenge killed too, they're still uber.
All those walls have ways to potentially deal with Luke, yes. I was referring to when you're reasonably sure that said wall doesn't have a move with which to screw Luke over. Many Blissey don't run Flamethrower and prefer Toxic so they can poison-stall things to death, virtually no forretress use Earthquake (2 hazards+Volt Switch+Rapid Spin is the most common set I believe), and m-venu can't do anything if it doesn't have HP Fire or EQ... and even then, none of those pokemon can kill in one hit so Luke can still set up.
