Jumpman16
np: Michael Jackson - "Mon in the Mirror" (DW mix)
Humbug, et cetera. Just when we were all ready to settle in for the holidays with a finally stable Uber list, the Grinch steals our spirit by reminding us that perhaps the most difficult parts of the Suspect Test were not swept under the rug, but were to be revisited when not a creature was stirring on the Uber list.
This was indeed on this list all along (and yes, I've checked it twice). From My Order of Operations thread:
1. Garchomp (75)
2. Lati@s (116)
3. Evasion Clause (126)
4. Manaphy (127)
5. Species Clause (136)
6. OHKO Clause (150)
7. UU Tiers (158)
8. Mew (159)
9. Arceus (172)
All the pokemon are now addressed, including Mew and Arceus (the latter's relevance having more to do with Nintendo's acknowledgement of it than its own power). UU Tiers have been addressed by Caelum, RB Golbat and company for months now concurrently with the OU tests. So as of today:
1. Evasion Clause (126)
2. Species Clause (136)
3. OHKO Clause (150)
We can now revote as to a new Order of Operations, but I will be firm straight up—any arguments to remove any of these Clauses fom this list need to be airtight or they will (and should) be picked apart by His Grinchiness. We are not going to take the easy way out and "leave well enough alone" with regard to these clauses just because they're harder to tackle—that is a copout and I won't have it.
Tangerine raised the issue of Item Clause in the OoO thread at the beginning of the year (and personally prefers we test OHKOs, Evasion, and Species Clause in that order), citing the possibility that it would promote the use of balanced teams and that it would also limit the effectiveness of Trick, which he felt somewhat broken. I personally don't agree with the former idea since I dont feel people should be "forced" to be creative but he formed a valid argument and it deserves to be seen and debated by more than just one or two people. That said, don't mention Stealth Rock—I hate this move just as much as anyone, but we're not testing it, certainly not before the three original Clauses.
I, as should the rest of you, welcome additional ideas of Clauses or other competitive holdovers we should consider, but mainly ask that we reconsider our order now that most of the orignal line items from the OoO thread have been addressed. But I repeat—if you really feel that Species Clause or Evasion Clause don't deserve to be tested, you had better make a convincing argument.
This is my personal order:
Species Clause
OHKO Clause
Evasion Clause
As Species Clauses is by far the one with the most competitive implications. Please order your preference similarly.
This was indeed on this list all along (and yes, I've checked it twice). From My Order of Operations thread:
1. Garchomp (75)
2. Lati@s (116)
3. Evasion Clause (126)
4. Manaphy (127)
5. Species Clause (136)
6. OHKO Clause (150)
7. UU Tiers (158)
8. Mew (159)
9. Arceus (172)
All the pokemon are now addressed, including Mew and Arceus (the latter's relevance having more to do with Nintendo's acknowledgement of it than its own power). UU Tiers have been addressed by Caelum, RB Golbat and company for months now concurrently with the OU tests. So as of today:
1. Evasion Clause (126)
2. Species Clause (136)
3. OHKO Clause (150)
We can now revote as to a new Order of Operations, but I will be firm straight up—any arguments to remove any of these Clauses fom this list need to be airtight or they will (and should) be picked apart by His Grinchiness. We are not going to take the easy way out and "leave well enough alone" with regard to these clauses just because they're harder to tackle—that is a copout and I won't have it.
Tangerine raised the issue of Item Clause in the OoO thread at the beginning of the year (and personally prefers we test OHKOs, Evasion, and Species Clause in that order), citing the possibility that it would promote the use of balanced teams and that it would also limit the effectiveness of Trick, which he felt somewhat broken. I personally don't agree with the former idea since I dont feel people should be "forced" to be creative but he formed a valid argument and it deserves to be seen and debated by more than just one or two people. That said, don't mention Stealth Rock—I hate this move just as much as anyone, but we're not testing it, certainly not before the three original Clauses.
I, as should the rest of you, welcome additional ideas of Clauses or other competitive holdovers we should consider, but mainly ask that we reconsider our order now that most of the orignal line items from the OoO thread have been addressed. But I repeat—if you really feel that Species Clause or Evasion Clause don't deserve to be tested, you had better make a convincing argument.
This is my personal order:
Species Clause
OHKO Clause
Evasion Clause
As Species Clauses is by far the one with the most competitive implications. Please order your preference similarly.