Some interesting Heracross numbers

[TSPhoenix]

I cooked these up out of personal interest, and well I thought they might be worth posting.

I run Life Orb Heracross, the ability to hit most things at SE or at least neutral coupled with a bit of burn/toxic absorbing results in a physical force that will usually bring even the toughest of physical walls crashing down.

For indication of the type of power we are dealing with here;
(nature affect on defense, def EVs, HP EVs)
(guaranteed) = (boosted, max Def, max HP)

With status @ Life Orb
OHKO on Slaking (guaranteed)
OHKO on Driftblim (guaranteed) with Stone Edge
OHKO on Vaporeon (neutral, max Def, no HP)
43% OHKO on Vaporeon (neutral, max Def, max HP)
OHKO on Cresselia (guaranteed)
OHKO on Rhyperior (guaranteed)
80-99% on Hippowdon (neutral, max SD, rest in HP/Def)
64-77% on Shuckle (boosted, max Def, max HP)
80-95% on Shuckle (neutral, no Def, max SD)
OHKO on Steelix (guaranteed, barely)
86% OHKO on Regirock (guaranteed)
OHKO on Regirock (boosted, no Def, max HP)
OHKO on Cloyster (guaranteed)
OHKO on Deoxys-L (guaranteed)
73% OHKO on Dusknoir (guaranteed) w/Night Slash
OHKO on Dusknoir (neutral, 80 Def, max HP) w/Night Slash
53-63% on Weezing (boosted, no Def, max HP) w/Stone Edge
70% OHKO on Donphan (boosted, no Def, max HP)
80-95% on Skarmory (boosted, no Def, max HP)

Without status @ Life Orb
OHKO on Slacking (neutral, 80 Def, max HP)
90% OHKO on Slaking (neutral, max Def, min HP) (8% with max HP)
78-92% on Cresselia (boosted, max Def, max HP)
86-101% on Cresselia (neutral, max Def, max HP)
OHKO on Rhyperior (neutral, no Def, max HP)
83-97% on Rhyperior (neutral, max Def, max HP)
77-90% on Steelix (boosted, no Def, max HP)
75-88% on Regirock (boosted, no Def, max HP)
85-100% on Cloyster (boosted, max Def max HP)
90% OHKO on Cloyster (boosted, no Def, max HP)
58% OHKO on Deoxys-L (boosted, max Def, max HP)
OHKO on Deoxys-L (neutral, max Def, max HP) w/Night Slash
85-99% on Dusknoir (neutral, no Def, max HP) w/Night Slash

So Weezing walls it, especially if its one of those non-Stone Edge Heracross. There is no guarantee of a 2HKO short of Sandstorm/Stealth Rock either. This is assuming regular Weezing EVs, thats is max HP and no Def.

Naturally status and CB is more devastating yet, adding an extra 15% damage to the status + Life Orb numbers, making Skarm vulnerable to a OHKO and giving Regirock a 1% chance of escaping one.

If you could manage to pass an SD and maybe a bit of speed to this (hi Ninjask) thats your game won right there.

 

[n3ther]

I guess it's nice to know it can OHKO many things just like something like Electivire but really one kill is all it's getting without a speed boost of some sort. Most things faster than it can come in for the revenge kill with a STAB SE move or non-STAB Aerial Ace. A Focus Sasher can also deliver the kill in case Heracross is faster due to a Baton Pass.

Also for shame that you didn't calculate the damage from Stone Edge on Gliscor, which you know is Heracross's main counter.

Otherwise good job making some calculations. I tend to calculate as well to make sure I get the right EV's for a OHKO that might otherwise not happen.

 

[Jibaku]

Are you sure you didn't forget Solid Rock in Rhyinferior?

 

[Sir Spanky]

Gliscor is definitely the primary counter. You should add him too for completeness :-)

 

[Arceus]

Question: What moves are you using to calculate the damage?

 

[TSPhoenix]

Jibaku, yeah I forgot solid rock, I'll have to go back and fix that.

I'll go add Gliscisor later. Somehow I completely forgot it, possibly something to do with having yet to actually face one. I should probably add Metagross/Bronzong too due to their eclectic typings.

Acreus, I'm using whichever move would be more effective out of Megahorn or Close Combat. In the odd case that Stone Edge/Night Slash does more damage the move is listed.

 

[plust]

Nice numbers, but I don't understand why you've included some of them (neutral, max def no hp vaporeon when the standard is benefical, max, 188 Evs).

 

[ΩDonut]

I think every damage calculator should come with a function that lists the probability of an OHKO...

 

[Gardevoir]

Well, you can calculate the probability of OHKO easily once you know the damage that the attack will deal.

 

[Firestorm]

Well, you can calculate the probability of OHKO easily once you know the damage that the attack will deal.

Well, same goes for damage if you know the formula and stuff =P I do think it'd be useful to be able to tell right off the bat. Should only be one additional formula to stick in too so not hard.

 

[TSPhoenix]

Nice numbers, but I don't understand why you've included some of them (neutral, max def no hp vaporeon when the standard is benefical, max, 188 Evs).

Because I've been out of the Metagame for a fair while and the last I remember is most Vaporeon being Calm, to bolster the naturally high SD.