xzern
for sure
DUU Nominations (order: Clius / Yoda / TTree / xzern / n10sit)
Arcanine 1 <- 1.5 -> 2 -> 2.5 -> 3
MAero 1.5 -> 1
Virizion 4 -> 3 -> 2.5
Diancie 1 -> 1.5
Hoopa 1.5 -> 2
Serperior 2 -> 1.5
Deoxys-A 1.5 -> 2
Magnezone UR -> 4 -> 3 -> 2.5 -> 2
MBlastoise 1.5 -> 1
Cobalion UR -> 4
Roserade UR -> 4 -> 3 -> 2.5 -> 2 -> 1.5
Tangrowth UR -> 4 -> 3
Crobat 1.5 -> 2
Krookodile 2.5 -> 2
Manaphy 1 -> 1.5 -> 2
Mew 1.5 -> 2 -> 2.5
Crawdaunt 2 -> 1.5
Ninetales 2.5 -> 2
Kyurem 3 -> 2.5 -> 2
Sableye 2.5 -> 2
Clefable UR -> 4 -> 3 -> 2.5 -> 2
Summary of changes:
Arcanine Tier 1.5 -> 2
Virizion Tier 4 -> 3
Deoxys-A Tier 1.5 -> 2
Magnezone UR -> Tier 3
Mega Blastoise Tier 1.5 -> 1
Roserade UR -> Tier 2
Manaphy Tier 1 -> 1.5
Mew Tier 1.5 -> 2
Clefable UR -> Tier 2.5
Arcanine 1 <- 1.5 -> 2 -> 2.5 -> 3
Clius: Arcanine perhaps fits best at 2, with the introduction of victini it’s use has dropped, but still has access to intimidate and solid offensive and defensive capabilities.
Yoda: 2. Could possibly see drop again later on but 2 is fine for now. See previous post for reasoning, wisp/intim/snarl isn’t that good over other Fire-types.
TTree: Leaning towards dropping this to 2, my peers seem to agree. The only niches I can see it having over the many other fires are defensive but supportive sets aren’t good so…. meh.
Xzern: 1.5. Use him as a physical attacker u fools. Support set is bad in doubles
N10sit: 2. I vastly prefer entei, only thing arcanine has over entei is intimidate. Also does not compare to other 1.5 mons, as I find arcanine requires more support than it provides.
Yoda: 2. Could possibly see drop again later on but 2 is fine for now. See previous post for reasoning, wisp/intim/snarl isn’t that good over other Fire-types.
TTree: Leaning towards dropping this to 2, my peers seem to agree. The only niches I can see it having over the many other fires are defensive but supportive sets aren’t good so…. meh.
Xzern: 1.5. Use him as a physical attacker u fools. Support set is bad in doubles
N10sit: 2. I vastly prefer entei, only thing arcanine has over entei is intimidate. Also does not compare to other 1.5 mons, as I find arcanine requires more support than it provides.
MAero 1.5 -> 1
Clius: Mega Aerodactyl is perhaps one of the first threats that comes to mind when teambuilding, shuts down teams that are unprepared for it, crazy speed, however it is very frail and loses to most forms of speed control so I’d be okay with keeping it at 1.5.
Yoda: No. Mega Aero is really good, but has some flaws such as weakness to TR, weak Flying STAB meaning it does worse against stuff like Tang and Yama than you would want, and struggling against Steels and Waters.
TTree: 1.5. Too many good things beat this far too easily: Genesect and Mega Blastoise being the biggest ones.
Xzern: 1.5. Frail and stuff
N10sit: 1.5. Definitely not splashable, doesn't have great typing and is very frail. Doesn't hit very hard despite high attack stats and speed is beat by scarves and trick room.
Yoda: No. Mega Aero is really good, but has some flaws such as weakness to TR, weak Flying STAB meaning it does worse against stuff like Tang and Yama than you would want, and struggling against Steels and Waters.
TTree: 1.5. Too many good things beat this far too easily: Genesect and Mega Blastoise being the biggest ones.
Xzern: 1.5. Frail and stuff
N10sit: 1.5. Definitely not splashable, doesn't have great typing and is very frail. Doesn't hit very hard despite high attack stats and speed is beat by scarves and trick room.
Virizion 4 -> 3 -> 2.5
Clius: Virizion deserves 3. 2.5 is a bit much given how many things wall it or ohko it.
Yoda: 3. Better than 4 at least, but has a lot of unfavourable matchups looking at 1/1.5 and it isn’t the strongest. Also there are lot of better Grass/Fighting types which it faces competition from.
TTree: 3, as I said earlier it’s clearly better than all the other things in 4. I’m fairly consistently disappointed by its damage output, but decent coverage, bulk, and that perfect weight to avoid Sky Drop definitely make it better than 4.
Xzern: 3 makes sense. Its definitely better than shiftry, aromatisse, etc. not on par with 2.5 threats like sableye and reuniclus though
N10sit: 4. Virizion hits like a 3 year old girl. I disagree that it's better than shiftry due to the support shiftry provides, while Virizion does a bad job at fulfilling its role as an attacker. It only bops frail things.
Yoda: 3. Better than 4 at least, but has a lot of unfavourable matchups looking at 1/1.5 and it isn’t the strongest. Also there are lot of better Grass/Fighting types which it faces competition from.
TTree: 3, as I said earlier it’s clearly better than all the other things in 4. I’m fairly consistently disappointed by its damage output, but decent coverage, bulk, and that perfect weight to avoid Sky Drop definitely make it better than 4.
Xzern: 3 makes sense. Its definitely better than shiftry, aromatisse, etc. not on par with 2.5 threats like sableye and reuniclus though
N10sit: 4. Virizion hits like a 3 year old girl. I disagree that it's better than shiftry due to the support shiftry provides, while Virizion does a bad job at fulfilling its role as an attacker. It only bops frail things.
Diancie 1 -> 1.5
Clius: diancie is one of the best mons in this tier absolutely not.
Yoda: No. Diancie is by far one of the best Pokemon there is and checking Volc/Zard X wasn’t it’s only niche. It’s one of the best TR setters and users in the tier, with Diamond Storm being as great and ever, and is really bulky due to typing and stats. Rock/Fairy coverage is still amazing in DUU, just look down the VR.
TTree: 1, I’d even go so far as to say one of top 3 Pokemon in the tier. To be fair to Tymano, who nommed this, it was when we mistakenly led people to believe that Volcarona would be tournament banned. Still, even without Volc, I think I’d leave Diancie in 1.
Xzern: quick question: what the fuck. Diancie is very splashable, even on non-trick room teams as a beyond-solid check to fires. Try the life orb set sometime
N10sit: who nommed this wtf
Yoda: No. Diancie is by far one of the best Pokemon there is and checking Volc/Zard X wasn’t it’s only niche. It’s one of the best TR setters and users in the tier, with Diamond Storm being as great and ever, and is really bulky due to typing and stats. Rock/Fairy coverage is still amazing in DUU, just look down the VR.
TTree: 1, I’d even go so far as to say one of top 3 Pokemon in the tier. To be fair to Tymano, who nommed this, it was when we mistakenly led people to believe that Volcarona would be tournament banned. Still, even without Volc, I think I’d leave Diancie in 1.
Xzern: quick question: what the fuck. Diancie is very splashable, even on non-trick room teams as a beyond-solid check to fires. Try the life orb set sometime
N10sit: who nommed this wtf
Hoopa 1.5 -> 2
Clius: dies to dark and ghost, however both are not that common in this tier, can perform tremendously in right conditions, no.
Yoda: 1.5. Quite strong, Ghost typing is nice when FO is everywhere, and isn’t as frail as you would think (pretty bulky specially). Works well on TR and against it which is pretty good.
TTree: 1.5, it’s so incredibly powerful and has some cool 3rd move options like Energy Ball, Ally Switch, Focus Blast, and Sub. Yes it’s frail but give this a little bit of support and it definitely pulls its weight.
Xzern: no it’s very good as an attacker and trick room stop (taunt user that isn’t hit by fake out. I really like using taunt hoopa idk about you guys) it hits really hard and the only really effective checks to it are dark types, nothing else can switch in as easily
N10sit: ahh this is tough. Super bad typing but it's so strong and has great coverage and can set TR offensively. I think it has to stay in 1.5 but it's fringe.
Yoda: 1.5. Quite strong, Ghost typing is nice when FO is everywhere, and isn’t as frail as you would think (pretty bulky specially). Works well on TR and against it which is pretty good.
TTree: 1.5, it’s so incredibly powerful and has some cool 3rd move options like Energy Ball, Ally Switch, Focus Blast, and Sub. Yes it’s frail but give this a little bit of support and it definitely pulls its weight.
Xzern: no it’s very good as an attacker and trick room stop (taunt user that isn’t hit by fake out. I really like using taunt hoopa idk about you guys) it hits really hard and the only really effective checks to it are dark types, nothing else can switch in as easily
N10sit: ahh this is tough. Super bad typing but it's so strong and has great coverage and can set TR offensively. I think it has to stay in 1.5 but it's fringe.
Serperior 2 -> 1.5
Clius: No, it needs to get off one leaf storm to be a threat, while its speed is good its coverage is not.
Yoda: No. Needs a boost to threaten a lot of stuff, also it’s really weak to tini, gene, maero, and bat (also volc while it’s here). Glare helps can catch switches but you still lose most of the time, and you miss taunt/coverage to have it.
TTree: Definitely needs the boost, and even with one boost I’m still frequently overestimating its damage output. I mean… +2 252 SpA Life Orb Serperior Dragon Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Latias: 268-317 (89 - 105.3%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO.
Xzern: no it’s not as good as other 1.5 threats like latias and salamence. Has frailness and bad coverage. Cant see it being better than shaymin
N10sit: no, requires support like arcanine and it just doesn't compare to 1.5 mons as xzern said
Yoda: No. Needs a boost to threaten a lot of stuff, also it’s really weak to tini, gene, maero, and bat (also volc while it’s here). Glare helps can catch switches but you still lose most of the time, and you miss taunt/coverage to have it.
TTree: Definitely needs the boost, and even with one boost I’m still frequently overestimating its damage output. I mean… +2 252 SpA Life Orb Serperior Dragon Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Latias: 268-317 (89 - 105.3%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO.
Xzern: no it’s not as good as other 1.5 threats like latias and salamence. Has frailness and bad coverage. Cant see it being better than shaymin
N10sit: no, requires support like arcanine and it just doesn't compare to 1.5 mons as xzern said
Deoxys-A 1.5 -> 2
Clius: abstain. Deoxys-attack should perform extremely well in this tier in theory, have yet to see it perform to what I expect it to be, but it hasn’t been long enough to say that this mon isn’t an absolute monster offensively.
Yoda: Abstain. Hits super hard, but weakness to TR and prominence of FO hurt it a lot.
TTree: I can definitely see this dropping, fullroom is great and of course this is strong as hell but every team is either fullroom or has an abundance of setup attackers / priority attackers which just leaves Deo-A a bit stifled.
Xzern: yes, seems to fit the 2 description. Gets decked by every form of speed control and every priority attack, but is still good and poses great offensive pressure
N10sit: lol if TR wasn't so prominent i’d be like wtf but i think it has to go to 2 because of how the metagame is going
Yoda: Abstain. Hits super hard, but weakness to TR and prominence of FO hurt it a lot.
TTree: I can definitely see this dropping, fullroom is great and of course this is strong as hell but every team is either fullroom or has an abundance of setup attackers / priority attackers which just leaves Deo-A a bit stifled.
Xzern: yes, seems to fit the 2 description. Gets decked by every form of speed control and every priority attack, but is still good and poses great offensive pressure
N10sit: lol if TR wasn't so prominent i’d be like wtf but i think it has to go to 2 because of how the metagame is going
Magnezone UR -> 4 -> 3 -> 2.5 -> 2
Clius: solid attacker in TR, a variety of good sets (wp sturdy, scarf) can keep the opponent guessing, beats many top tier threats in the tier once fires and fightings are gone (which mind you can also be taken out by a wp attack once sturdy activates). Walls many teams that are unprepared for it. “Pokemon which, while good, either only fit on specific team archetypes, fill solely supportive roles, or have some glaring weakness.” pretty much sums this pokemon up. 2 for me.
Yoda: 3. Clius has used it to success but then again he has with weirder things. Typing is nice but slow and struggles with stuff like Fires, Tang, and Yama. Walling is a strong word for a mon like this, and WP sturdy is a bit gimmicky imo.
TTree: I don’t think I’d ever really use this but I can see why it would be good. I’d probably say 4, at least for now since this is so based on theorymonning.
Xzern: abstain. haven’t seen it & don’t want to
N10sit: 3, checks Diancie and provides a sort of water check. This thing is better than virizion and tier 4 mons
Yoda: 3. Clius has used it to success but then again he has with weirder things. Typing is nice but slow and struggles with stuff like Fires, Tang, and Yama. Walling is a strong word for a mon like this, and WP sturdy is a bit gimmicky imo.
TTree: I don’t think I’d ever really use this but I can see why it would be good. I’d probably say 4, at least for now since this is so based on theorymonning.
Xzern: abstain. haven’t seen it & don’t want to
N10sit: 3, checks Diancie and provides a sort of water check. This thing is better than virizion and tier 4 mons
MBlastoise 1.5 -> 1
Clius: Yes. Read my nom post.
Yoda: 1. Good bulk and great coverage, which you can also adapt a bit to the team. Speed control helps a lot with Water Spout but can run sets without it.
TTree: Mega Blastoise is amazing and I find it really difficult to check. Easy 1.
Xzern: yes. Strong offensive threat, bomb coverage, can also provide support with fake out
N10sit: abstain
Yoda: 1. Good bulk and great coverage, which you can also adapt a bit to the team. Speed control helps a lot with Water Spout but can run sets without it.
TTree: Mega Blastoise is amazing and I find it really difficult to check. Easy 1.
Xzern: yes. Strong offensive threat, bomb coverage, can also provide support with fake out
N10sit: abstain
Cobalion UR -> 4
Clius: A life orb set on this mon can catch many people off guard. Its speed allows it to outspeed and take out many threats, such as volc (stone edge), diancie obviously, etc. this thing also walls some common megas and takes them out as well (mega aero). Too new to rank higher than 4 but we should put in on the VR as of now.
Yoda: Abstain. Never seen or used.
TTree: Kind of disappointing damage output, physical bulk isn’t hugely helpful when it’s still dunked on by Victini. I say leave this UR until someone can actually prove its utility.
Xzern: UR. i don’t see any reason to use this over mega lucario
N10sit: UR has the virizion problem and unlike magnezone doesn't check anything that isn't Diancie
Yoda: Abstain. Never seen or used.
TTree: Kind of disappointing damage output, physical bulk isn’t hugely helpful when it’s still dunked on by Victini. I say leave this UR until someone can actually prove its utility.
Xzern: UR. i don’t see any reason to use this over mega lucario
N10sit: UR has the virizion problem and unlike magnezone doesn't check anything that isn't Diancie
Roserade UR -> 4 -> 3 -> 2.5 -> 2 -> 1.5
Clius: Big flower proves to be good, taking out most redirectors and hindering trick room. However, middling speed and it’s frailty wants me to nom this mon for 2, not 1.5.
Yoda: 2. See previous post, good Tang and TR check and has powerful STABs, but frail and middling Speed.
TTree: 2 seems to be fitting, I’ve used this and it deserves to be beside Shaymin and Serperior - I haven’t actually figured out which of those three is the best yet.
Xzern: 2. I have used this and it works very well for me. Good powerful stab coverage that also has access to those neat technician hidden powers but i think sleep powder is more useful than hidden power. Its speed isn’t exactly bad either
N10sit: 2 great sleep user/hidden power user and is a strong poison I do like big flower
Yoda: 2. See previous post, good Tang and TR check and has powerful STABs, but frail and middling Speed.
TTree: 2 seems to be fitting, I’ve used this and it deserves to be beside Shaymin and Serperior - I haven’t actually figured out which of those three is the best yet.
Xzern: 2. I have used this and it works very well for me. Good powerful stab coverage that also has access to those neat technician hidden powers but i think sleep powder is more useful than hidden power. Its speed isn’t exactly bad either
N10sit: 2 great sleep user/hidden power user and is a strong poison I do like big flower
Tangrowth UR -> 4 -> 3
Clius: Tangrowth has certain niches over its smaller counterpart, since it can hold an item and is still very good defensively. It also provides more offense than little shoes. 4.
Yoda: Keep unranked. See previous post, worse than Eggs/Bell on sun, outclassed by Tangela otherwise.
TTree: UR - the nom starts with “Chlorophyll. Sleep. Powder” but Tangela is literally faster and also has Chlorophyll, which I’d consider using on a Sun team. I want this to be good but it just doesn’t have a niche.
Xzern: say yes to big shoes. Offensive tangela
N10sit: UR this thing sucks wang I bet this got nommed bc of kylecole
Yoda: Keep unranked. See previous post, worse than Eggs/Bell on sun, outclassed by Tangela otherwise.
TTree: UR - the nom starts with “Chlorophyll. Sleep. Powder” but Tangela is literally faster and also has Chlorophyll, which I’d consider using on a Sun team. I want this to be good but it just doesn’t have a niche.
Xzern: say yes to big shoes. Offensive tangela
N10sit: UR this thing sucks wang I bet this got nommed bc of kylecole
Crobat 1.5 -> 2
Clius: No. read yoda’s post
Yoda: No. See previous post, Sash Bat is bad and BB is pretty good offensively on it.
TTree: 1.5, Brave Bird is strong and Inner Focus Taunt / Whirlwind is huuuuuuge.
Xzern: NO crobat is very good for a support mon that also packs a punch
N10sit: 1.5, one of the best support mons in the tier with a decent stab move
Yoda: No. See previous post, Sash Bat is bad and BB is pretty good offensively on it.
TTree: 1.5, Brave Bird is strong and Inner Focus Taunt / Whirlwind is huuuuuuge.
Xzern: NO crobat is very good for a support mon that also packs a punch
N10sit: 1.5, one of the best support mons in the tier with a decent stab move
Krookodile 2.5 -> 2
Clius: There are not a lot of good ground types in this tier, krook has access to some great abilities, scarf moxie can potentially sweep through teams, intimidate helps it’s survivability. Would bump up to 2.
Yoda: 2. Pretty good for a Ground type in this tier, and Dark STAB is nice. Stone Edge is nice coverage with EQ, Intimidate is nifty and helps it check Victini.
TTree: Abstain. Scarf Stone Edge outspeeds and OHKOs Volcarona but it’s kind of a mixed bag and I’ve had extremely varied results with it. I’ve been trying out Moxie a little bit and I’m here to say: don’t do it. Not worth it, like ever.
Xzern: i actually am not a fan of krookodile at all. It has always disappointed me by being pretty weak. It also lacks any decent defensive typing, which doesn’t work well for an intimidate user. 2.5
N10sit: bleh 2 it's like the only good ground besides nidoking, can run both scarf and life orb, and intimidate is good
Yoda: 2. Pretty good for a Ground type in this tier, and Dark STAB is nice. Stone Edge is nice coverage with EQ, Intimidate is nifty and helps it check Victini.
TTree: Abstain. Scarf Stone Edge outspeeds and OHKOs Volcarona but it’s kind of a mixed bag and I’ve had extremely varied results with it. I’ve been trying out Moxie a little bit and I’m here to say: don’t do it. Not worth it, like ever.
Xzern: i actually am not a fan of krookodile at all. It has always disappointed me by being pretty weak. It also lacks any decent defensive typing, which doesn’t work well for an intimidate user. 2.5
N10sit: bleh 2 it's like the only good ground besides nidoking, can run both scarf and life orb, and intimidate is good
Manaphy 1 -> 1.5 -> 2
Clius: 1.5. Manaphy needs the boost to excel, and teams should be prepped for it, but it’s not really an immediate threat.
Yoda: 1.5. See previous post, needs to set up to do damage, among other flaws.
TTree: 1.5, it’s great but not stellar. Everything that can be said about this mon has already been said.
Xzern: 1. The manaphy is the powerhouse of the team
N10sit: FUCK YOU GUYS THIS IS A TIER 1 MON
Yoda: 1.5. See previous post, needs to set up to do damage, among other flaws.
TTree: 1.5, it’s great but not stellar. Everything that can be said about this mon has already been said.
Xzern: 1. The manaphy is the powerhouse of the team
N10sit: FUCK YOU GUYS THIS IS A TIER 1 MON
Mew 1.5 -> 2 -> 2.5
Clius: This mon is so good and so versatile, it’s been 2 week since it came out, i’d give it some time before lowering it. 1.5
Yoda: 2. See previous post, but Transform isn’t so good and you can usually get FO/TW/TR support in mons that aren’t as super passive.
TTree: I think 2 fits better, I’m really not a huge fan of support pokemon and the fact that I will never have a situation where I say “hmmm I’m having trouble with x, y, z… let’s add Mew!” means that I will likely never use this mon. I can see why other people would though, so that’s what’s keeping me from putting it any lower.
Xzern: 2. I can’t see it being any better than victini or latias as a psychic type, uu doesn’t have any ridiculous strong priority users like azumarill for mew to transform into either
N10sit: 2, great support but unlike crobat can't do damage and psychic coverage isn't great already
Yoda: 2. See previous post, but Transform isn’t so good and you can usually get FO/TW/TR support in mons that aren’t as super passive.
TTree: I think 2 fits better, I’m really not a huge fan of support pokemon and the fact that I will never have a situation where I say “hmmm I’m having trouble with x, y, z… let’s add Mew!” means that I will likely never use this mon. I can see why other people would though, so that’s what’s keeping me from putting it any lower.
Xzern: 2. I can’t see it being any better than victini or latias as a psychic type, uu doesn’t have any ridiculous strong priority users like azumarill for mew to transform into either
N10sit: 2, great support but unlike crobat can't do damage and psychic coverage isn't great already
Crawdaunt 2 -> 1.5
Clius: 2, i think this mon is a bit overrated, dies to anything, and stopping Tr is not enough to warrant 1.5
Yoda: 1.5 (was my nom lol). See previous post, but basically it’s super strong and destroys TR.
TTree: 1.5 - Slow and frail, but its Aqua Jet is sooooo strong and it doesn’t even need to carry SD since Crabhammer is a freaking nuke (it 2HKOs Aboma guys).
Xzern: 2. I don’t like how it’s such a slow mon that is also so frail. I think this fits the tier 2 description of having “some glaring weaknesses”
N10sit: 2 needs crazy speed control or support to setup and is incredibly frail
Yoda: 1.5 (was my nom lol). See previous post, but basically it’s super strong and destroys TR.
TTree: 1.5 - Slow and frail, but its Aqua Jet is sooooo strong and it doesn’t even need to carry SD since Crabhammer is a freaking nuke (it 2HKOs Aboma guys).
Xzern: 2. I don’t like how it’s such a slow mon that is also so frail. I think this fits the tier 2 description of having “some glaring weaknesses”
N10sit: 2 needs crazy speed control or support to setup and is incredibly frail
Ninetales 2.5 -> 2
Clius: 2.5 all it does is set up sun and look around meekly
Yoda: 2.5. Really doesn’t offer that much by itself other than sun, especially over other fire types. Also I don’t think sun is super duper amazing or anything (definitely not needing a suspect or anything).
TTree: 2.5, Ninetales as a pokemon itself makes me reluctant to ever use sun because I have to use that trash. Even supportive sets with things like Wisp or Disable to ignore its weakness are bad because it’s not bulky.
Xzern: 2.5. Ninetales is ridiculously weak and its only saving grace is sun
N10sit: 2.5 all it does is set sun and can't hit for shit
Yoda: 2.5. Really doesn’t offer that much by itself other than sun, especially over other fire types. Also I don’t think sun is super duper amazing or anything (definitely not needing a suspect or anything).
TTree: 2.5, Ninetales as a pokemon itself makes me reluctant to ever use sun because I have to use that trash. Even supportive sets with things like Wisp or Disable to ignore its weakness are bad because it’s not bulky.
Xzern: 2.5. Ninetales is ridiculously weak and its only saving grace is sun
N10sit: 2.5 all it does is set sun and can't hit for shit
Kyurem 3 -> 2.5 -> 2
Clius: 3, there are better blizzspammers.
Yoda: 3. Haven’t seen hailspam do well (plus there are better users like Gene). Faces a lot of competition from Salamence and Latias, which are both pretty good.
TTree: 3, there are better scarfers, and it also loses to all of them. If it had Teravolt then I could see it being somewhat more viable since its EPower would actually hit Heattom, but Pressure is so unhelpful.
Xzern: 3. It’s probably not a good idea to use mega abomasnow outside of trick room just to be able to use kyurem for a blizzspam team. Salamence and latias are better the dragons
N10sit: 2.5???? This thing loses to other dragons but like it's super strong on its own even without abomasnow
Yoda: 3. Haven’t seen hailspam do well (plus there are better users like Gene). Faces a lot of competition from Salamence and Latias, which are both pretty good.
TTree: 3, there are better scarfers, and it also loses to all of them. If it had Teravolt then I could see it being somewhat more viable since its EPower would actually hit Heattom, but Pressure is so unhelpful.
Xzern: 3. It’s probably not a good idea to use mega abomasnow outside of trick room just to be able to use kyurem for a blizzspam team. Salamence and latias are better the dragons
N10sit: 2.5???? This thing loses to other dragons but like it's super strong on its own even without abomasnow
Sableye 2.5 -> 2
Clius: 2.5, this meta is full of special attackers and sableye doesn’t do much to them
Yoda: 2.5. Not as good as the mons in 2, prio wisp isn’t that good and it’s quite passive.
TTree: 2.5, fits the description perfectly. “Pokemon which, while good, lack some redeeming qualities or require heavy support.” Sableye is lacking any offensive presence.
Xzern: 2.5. While i like it a lot for snarl & prankster quash and willowisp, it can’t really stand its ground against many relevant threats like diancie and victini at all, and that isn’t too good for a solely supporting mon
N10sit: 2.5, great support but mew problem with less bulk
Yoda: 2.5. Not as good as the mons in 2, prio wisp isn’t that good and it’s quite passive.
TTree: 2.5, fits the description perfectly. “Pokemon which, while good, lack some redeeming qualities or require heavy support.” Sableye is lacking any offensive presence.
Xzern: 2.5. While i like it a lot for snarl & prankster quash and willowisp, it can’t really stand its ground against many relevant threats like diancie and victini at all, and that isn’t too good for a solely supporting mon
N10sit: 2.5, great support but mew problem with less bulk
Clefable UR -> 4 -> 3 -> 2.5 -> 2
Clius: 2.5, unaware, moonblast stab, not as good as regular stoise movepool.
Yoda: 2. See previous post for reasoning, but has some better matchups over other redirectors and isn’t just for Unaware. Also if you say Clefairy is better I’ll laugh.
TTree: 2.5, it’s about on par with Clefairy imo since they have similar bulk, the same typing, and it’s basically about whether Unaware or Friend Guard will be more helpful in a particular battle.
Xzern: 2.5. has cool support movepool with stuff like TWave and helping hand, can also run sitrus berry
N10sit: xzern sucks tier 3, fairy coverage isn't great doesn't do damage clefairy is better I hate yoda
Yoda: 2. See previous post for reasoning, but has some better matchups over other redirectors and isn’t just for Unaware. Also if you say Clefairy is better I’ll laugh.
TTree: 2.5, it’s about on par with Clefairy imo since they have similar bulk, the same typing, and it’s basically about whether Unaware or Friend Guard will be more helpful in a particular battle.
Xzern: 2.5. has cool support movepool with stuff like TWave and helping hand, can also run sitrus berry
N10sit: xzern sucks tier 3, fairy coverage isn't great doesn't do damage clefairy is better I hate yoda
Summary of changes:
Arcanine Tier 1.5 -> 2
Virizion Tier 4 -> 3
Deoxys-A Tier 1.5 -> 2
Magnezone UR -> Tier 3
Mega Blastoise Tier 1.5 -> 1
Roserade UR -> Tier 2
Manaphy Tier 1 -> 1.5
Mew Tier 1.5 -> 2
Clefable UR -> Tier 2.5