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Discussion: Clerics in D/P
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Most healers in traditional RPGs tended to be priests/clerics/etc. so the name just kinda stuck for general healers for games.
Anyway, just because the "standard" Blissey uses Sing doesn't mean it can't be a "Cleric" as well. I've seen a few Aroma Blissey's around. The problem is if you come in right after a status, you're expected to Aromatherapy. So just remember that your opponent likely knows what you're going to do and will be taking the necessary steps to take advantage of that. This means Aromatherapy-ing early isn't as doable.
im just a lil information.
lickilicky is a great cleric, if you can get it from NYPC
gets healbell/wish and you can add another great addition of knock off
and great defensive stats.
lickilicky is a great cleric, if you can get it from NYPC
gets healbell/wish and you can add another great addition of knock off
and great defensive stats.
Never fear kiddies, Chimecho is here with both Wish and Heal Bell!
I forgot about him! : )
It doesn't stand a chance in anything but Never Used, though. Why he got a pre-evo instead of an evo I have no idea. . .
Jumpluff is a Cleric, I don't know if it can get Encore and Aromatherapy, legally. but that could be a good one
I think parasect and vileplume are too fragile
and that new pokemon Shaymin, maybe he could be the new mew?
plus Cherrim, works too
maybe Granbull with Intimindate
I think parasect and vileplume are too fragile
and that new pokemon Shaymin, maybe he could be the new mew?
plus Cherrim, works too
maybe Granbull with Intimindate
I think that´s the main reason because we don´t see Clerics. Some Blissey use Aromatherapy, but now with CSmence, the rise of Gyarados and the lot of sweepers, Blissey prefers to be more offensive.
Shaymin might actually make a decent Cleric. 101 SubSeeding with Aromatherapy and a filler, coupled with his 100s across the board might not be bad at all. Maybe Grass Knot or HP Ice.
With it being monotype, it has less weaknesses than Celebi, but it's a double edged sword in that it also has less resists.
With it being monotype, it has less weaknesses than Celebi, but it's a double edged sword in that it also has less resists.
Heal Bell and Wish are New York Pokemon Center moves. It's a shame there aren't more out there, since I'm apparently the only person who's ever used Lickilicky.
i think he does mean that nothing is immune to either hypnosis/Twave OR hypnosis/WoW combo's.
hypnosis/TWave/WoW can be resisted though. just get in a double battle. send out your fire ground pokemon (do i hear "camerupt"?) and a pokemon with worry seed. use worry seed on your camerupt. voila, it resist the hypnosis/Twave/WoW combo.
i really don't have to mention that camerupt sucks competitively.
i also don't think i have to mention it gets thoroughly owned by Surf (STAB doesn't matter)
the above 1-2 lines should only be read by n00bs.
Camerupt is underestimated but I won't get into that.
I'm still using Bliss with the old Standard of Aromatherapy/Seismic Toss/Ice Beam/Softboiled
Less people using Clerics will urge more players to use Status moves and vice versa. Might as well be prepared especially now that there are more double status pokes.
I'm still using Bliss with the old Standard of Aromatherapy/Seismic Toss/Ice Beam/Softboiled
Less people using Clerics will urge more players to use Status moves and vice versa. Might as well be prepared especially now that there are more double status pokes.
Great Sage
Banned deucer.
Yeah, that pissed me off so much when I saw, I was like "oh hell naw nintendo."
Reflect and Light Screen are decent moves, while Mist is still useless, but they have nothing to do with status and shouldn't be discussed here.
And Safeguard isn't a good move either. The only thing that I've ever seen using it competitively were Latias and Latias on Uber Metagame. And IMO, it's not even a good option for them. Specially on a "destructive" Metagame like 4th gen's ubers.
And Safeguard isn't a good move either. The only thing that I've ever seen using it competitively were Latias and Latias on Uber Metagame. And IMO, it's not even a good option for them. Specially on a "destructive" Metagame like 4th gen's ubers.
*About the Mew thing: I think if Celebi, with the exact same stats, is in OU, then Mew, and Manaphy for that matter need to go with it. I know it's all about movepool and typing, but with the right stats anything's a killer. After all, they're legendary for a reason!
*About the cleric thing: Using a cleric is alright I guess, but I agree with the first response "circle" thing. In the long run, I don't think they're worth it though, unless you have a team who is absolutely shut down by status. My team doesn't use a cleric Blissey, I use counter, and it kills something every time.
*About the cleric thing: Using a cleric is alright I guess, but I agree with the first response "circle" thing. In the long run, I don't think they're worth it though, unless you have a team who is absolutely shut down by status. My team doesn't use a cleric Blissey, I use counter, and it kills something every time.
Keep in mind that Celebi has a lot of weaknesses that the other "100 club" members don't. Mew is like a Smeargle with stats that are actually good. Manaphy, while tough, can be more easily figured out (Hydroresting takes up 2 moveslots).
If he had an evo that would rock but still that stupid Nintendo...
I'm guessing that will be in the 6th gen (assuming the 5th gen consists mostly of Pokemon that have no connection with the previous games, like the 3rd gen).
In my opinion the usefulness of clerics is limited not just because of the Pokemon that learn them, but also because of the hassle it takes to use one. It seems to me that most teams are focused on a combination of all-out attacking, and/or pseudohazing with Stealth Rock/Spikes. If I am mistaken, and a respectable niche of teams do consistently have status inflicters, isn't it still counterintuitive to switch a Pokemon solely for the purpose of using Heal Bell/Aromatherapy? A Pokemon can take a lot of damage while it's out passively for two turns, limiting this tactic to clerics that can heal themselves, like Blissey. Even then, you have to be wary of the same or another status inflicter once your other Pokemon are back in play, as well as something setting up on you. Why factor a long, difficult-to-perform umbrella counter strategy into your team, when you can just switch to an offensive counter (perhaps with resistances to burn, paralysis or whatever else) and worry about your fallen comrade later?
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