A Guide to EV Training with Hordes (ORAS update)

[shiny finder]

Note: Below are the proposed update for our current Gen 6 EV horde training guide. The changes are in red, plus the ORAS hide tag.

Introduction

Hordes are a new type of battle introduced in Pokémon X and Y. These battles force the trainer to confront five wild Pokémon at a time instead of the usual one. Often, horde battles will contain five of the same Pokémon; however, there are certain areas which feature horde battles containing multiple species. While these battles can prove challenging during the main story, they serve as a quick means of EV training Pokémon in the post-game.

Horde Tips

• Use Sweet Scent or Honey to initiate a horde battle while standing in tall grass.
• Sweet Scent and Honey will fail if used on a route in which it is raining in Pokemon X and Y. However, both will work during the weather in Pokemon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire.
• Use a powerful spread move like Petal Blizzard or Surf to KO all five Pokémon at the same time!
• You gain EVs and experience for all five horde Pokémon defeated in battle.

EV Training Tips

• A Pokémon gains EVs when it gains experience.
• To wipe a Pokémon's EVs, use a Reset Bag from Super Training, or a Perilous Soup made from a Kee and Maranga berry in the Juice Shoppe (X/Y only).
• Using a Reset Bag will completely reset a Pokemon's EVs, indicating how many EVs were lost in a stat in the progress. This allows you to check if you performed the training correctly. Make sure to save beforehand so you don’t lose your work!
• EV reducing berries can be used in a pinch to decrease EVs in a stat by 10. They are the Pomeg, Kelpsy, Qualot, Hondew, Grepa, and Tamato Berries for HP, Attack, Defense, Special Attack, Special Defense, and Speed, respectively.
• Pokérus doubles the number of EVs your Pokémon gains in battle.
• Macho Brace doubles the number of EVs your Pokémon gains in battle (stacks with Pokerus).
• Power Items (Brace, Anklet, etc.) grant an additional 4 EVs in a specific stat per Pokémon defeated.
• With Exp. Share ON, the entire party gains EVs.

Horde EV Math

You can calculate how many EVs you will gain from a horde battle by using the following formula:

EVs = (Total_Horde_EVs + 20 A)*B*C

• Total_Horde_EVs = EVs found on the far right of the tables below
• A = Power Item Stat (Not equipped = 0, Weight = HP, Bracer = Atk, Belt = Def, Lens = SpA, Band = SpD, Anklet = Spe)
• B = Pokérus (Not infected = 1, Infected = 2)
• C = Macho Brace (Not equipped = 1, Equipped = 2)

Example: A Pokémon with Pokérus defeats a Gulpin horde while holding a Power Weight.

EVs = (5 HP + 20 HP)*2*1

EVs = (25 HP)*2

EVs = 50 HP

A Complete List of Horde Battles Per Route

XY

xy

Route 5 - Versant Road

Common [gulpin] 1 HPx5 = 5 HP
Uncommon [scraggy] 1 Atkx5 = 5 Atk
Rare
X [plusle] 1 Spex4 = 5 Spe
[minun] 1 Spex1
Y [minun] 1 Spex4 = 5 Spe
[plusle] 1 Spex1


Route 7 - Rivière Walk

Common [hoppip] 1 SpDx5 = 5 SpD
Uncommon [psyduck] 1 SpAx5 = 5 SpA
Rare [roselia] 2 SpAx5 = 10 SpA

Connecting Cave

Common [whismur] 1 HPx5 = 5 HP
Uncommon [zubat] 1 Spex5 = 5 Spe
Rare [axew] 1 Atkx5 = 5 Atk

Route 8 - Muraille Coast

Common [wingull] 1 Spex5 = 5 Spe
Uncommon
X [zangoose] 2 Atkx4 = 9 Atk + 1 SpA
[seviper] 1 Atk + 1 SpAx1
Y [seviper] 1 Atk + 1 SpAx4 = 6 Atk + 4 SpA
[zangoose] 2 Atkx1
Rare [taillow] 1 Spex5 = 5 Spe

Route 10 - Menhir Trail

Common [nosepass] 1 Defx5 = 5 Def
Uncommon [yanma] 1 Spex5 = 5 Spe
Rare
X [hondour] 1 SpAx5 = 5 SpA
Y [electrike] 1 Spex5 = 5 Spe


Route 11 - Miroire Way

Common
X [nido-m] 1 Atkx4 = 4 Atk + 1 HP
[nido-f] 1 HPx1
Y [nido-f] 1 HPx4 = 4 HP + 1 Atk
[nido-m] 1 Atkx1
Uncommon [stunky] 1 Spex5 = 5 Spe
Rare [starly] 1 Spex5 = 5 Spe


Reflection Cave

Common [mime jr] 1 SpDx5 = 5 SpD
Uncommon [roggenrola] 1 Defx5 = 5 Def
Rare
[roggenrola] 1 Defx4 = 5 Def + 1 SpD
[carbink] 1 Def + 1 SpDx1


Route 12 - Fourrage Road

Common [wingull] 1 Spex5 = 5 Spe
Uncommon [mareep] 1 SpAx5 = 5 SpA
Rare
[tauros] 1 Atk + 1 Spex4 = 4 Atk + 4 Spe + 2 Def
[miltank] 2 Defx1


Azure Bay

Common [wingull] 1 Spex5 = 5 Spe
Uncommon [slowpoke] 1 HPx5 = 5 HP
Rare [exeggcute] 1 Defx5 = 5 Def


Route 14 - Laverre Nature Trail

Common [bellsprout] 1 Atkx5 = 5 Atk
Uncommon [skorupi] 1 Defx5 = 5 Def
Rare [ekans] 1 Atkx5 = 5 Atk


Route 15 - Brun Way

Common [murkrow] 1 Spex5 = 5 Spe
Uncommon [foongus] 1 HPx5 = 5 HP
Rare [klefki] 1 Defx5 = 5 Def


Route 16 - Mélancolie Path

Common [murkrow] 1 Spex5 = 5 Spe
Uncommon [foongus] 1 HPx5 = 5 HP
Rare [klefki] 1 Defx5 = 5 Def


Frost Cavern

Common [vanillite] 1 SpAx5 = 5 SpA
Uncommon [cubchoo] 1 Atkx5 = 5 Atk
Rare [smoochum] 1 SpAx5 = 5 SpA


Route 18 - Vallée Étroite Way

Common [geodude] 1 Defx5 = 5 Def
Uncommon [durant] 2 Defx5 = 10 Def
Rare
[durant] 2 Defx4 = 8 Def + 2 SpA
[heatmor] 2 SpAx1


Terminus Cave

Common [durant] 2 Defx5 = 10 Def
Uncommon [geodude] 1 Defx5 = 5 Def
Rare
X [aron] 1 Defx5 = 5 Def
Y [larvitar] 1 Atkx5 = 5 Atk


Route 19 - Grande Vallée Way

Common [weepinbell] 2 Atkx5 = 10 Atk
Uncommon [gligar] 1 Defx5 = 5 Def
Rare [arbok] 2 Atkx5 =10 Atk


Route 20 - Winding Woods

Common [foongus] 1 HPx5 = 5 HP
Uncommon [trevenant] 2 Atkx5 = 10 Atk
Rare
[trevenant] 2 Atkx4 = 8 Atk + 2 Def
[sudowoodo] 2 Defx1


The Pokémon Village

Common [foongus] 1 HPx5 = 5 HP
Uncommon [poliwag] 1 Spex5 = 5 Spe
Rare [lombre] 2 SpDx5 = 10 SpD


Route 21 - Dernière Way

Common [spinda] 1 SpAx5 = 5 SpA
Uncommon [swablu] 1 SpDx5 = 5 SpD
Rare [scyther] 1 Atkx5 = 5 Atk


Victory Road - Caves 1 and 4

Common [geodude] 1 Defx5 = 5 Def
Uncommon [floatzel] 2 Spex5 = 10 Spe
Rare [lickitung] 2 HPx5 = 10 HP


Victory Road - Caves 2 and 3

Common [geodude] 1 Defx5 = 5 Def
Uncommon [graveler] 2 Defx5 = 10 Def
Rare [lickitung] 2 HPx5 = 10 HP

ORAS

oras

Route 101 -- Alt Spe

Common [zigzagoon] 1 Spe x5 = 5 Spe
Rare [poochyena] 1 Atk x5 = 5 Atk


Route 102

Common [zigzagoon] 1 Spe x5 = 5 Spe
Uncommon
AS [lotad] 1 SpD x5 = 5 SpD
OR [seedot] 1 Def x5 = 5 Def
Rare [ralts] 1 SpA x5 = 5 SpA

Route 103

Common [zigzagoon] 1 Spex5 = 5 SPe
Uncommon [poochyena] 1 Atkx5 = 5 Atk
Rare [wingull] 1 Spex5 = 5 Spe


Route 104 (South)

Common [zigzagoon] 1 Spex5 = 5 Spe
Rare [wingull] 1 Spex5 = 5 Spe


Petalburg Woods -- Alt HP
Common [wurmple] 1 HPx5 = 5 HP
Uncommon [zigzagoon] 1 Spex5 = 5 spe
Rare [shroomish] 1 HPx5 = 5 hp


Route 104 (North) -- Best Spd

Common [zigzagoon] 1 Spex5 = 5 Spe
Rare [taillow] 1 Spex5 = 5 Spe


Route 116

Common [zigzagoon] 1 Spex5 = 5 Spe
Uncommon [nincada] 1 Defx5 = 5 Def
Rare [skitty] 1 Spex5 = 5 Spe


Rusturf Tunnel -- Best HP

Common [Whismur] 1 HPx5 = 5 HP


Granite Cave (1F)

Common [zubat] 1 Spex5 = 5 Spe
Uncommon [1 geodude + 4 makuhita] 1 Def + 4 HP
Rare [makuhita] 1 HPx5 = 5 HP


Granite Cave (B1F) -- Alt Def

Common [zubat] 1 Spex5 = 5 Spe
Uncommon [aron] 1 Defx5 = 5 Def


Granite Cave (B2F)

Common [zubat] 1 Spe x5 = 5 Spe
Uncommon [aron] 1 Def x5 = 5 Def
Rare
AS [sableye] 1 Atk + 1 Def x5 = 5 Atk + 5 Def
OR [mawile] 1 Atk + 1 Def x5 = 5 Atk + 5 Def


Route 110

Common [magnemite] 1 SpA x5 = 5 SpA
Uncommon
AS [plusle] 1 Spe x5 = 5 Spe
OR [minun] 1 Spe x5 = 5 Spe
Rare
AS [4 plusle + 1 minun] 4 Spe + 1 Spe = 5 Spe
OR [4 minun + 4 plusle] 4 Spe + 1 Spe = 5 Spe


Route 118

Common [wingull] 1 Spe x5 = 5 Spe
Uncommon [elecktrike] 1 Spe x5 = 5 Spe
Rare [kecleon] 1 SpD x5 = 5 SpD


Route 117

Common [4 oddish + 1 zigzagoon] = 4 SpA + Spe
Uncommon [Roselia] 2 SpA x5 = 10 SpA
Rare [marill] 2 HP x5 = 10 HP



Route 111 -- Best Def

Common [sandshrew] 1 Def x5 =5 Def


Route 112

Common [numel] 1 Spa x5 = 5 SpA
Uncommon [machop] 1 Atk x5 =5 Atk



Fiery Path -- Alt SpA

Common [numel] 1 SpA x5 = 5 SpA
Uncommon
AS [grimer] 1 HP x5 = 5 HP
OR [koffing] 1 Def x5 = 5 Def
Rare [slugma] 1 SpA x5 = 5 SpA


Route 113

Common [spinda] 1 SpA x5 = 5 SpA
Uncommon [skarmory] 2 Def x5 = 10 Def


Route 114 -- Alt SpD

Common [swablu] 1 SpD x5 = 5 SpD
Uncommon
AS [4 lotad + 1 swablu] 4 SpD + 1 SpD = 5 SpD
OR [seedot] 1 Def x5 = 5 Def


Route 115 -- Best SpDef

Common [swablu] 1 SpD x5 = 5 SpD


Meteor Falls – 1F and B1F Room 1

Common [zubat] 1 Spe x5 = 5 Spe


Meteor Falls – B1F Room 2

Common [zubat] 1 Spe x5 = 5 Spe
Rare [bagon] 1 Atk x5 = 5 Atk


Jagged Pass -- Alt Atk

Common [machop] 1 Atk x5 = 5 Atk
Uncommon [spoink] 1 SpD x5 = 5 SpD


Route 123

Common [shuppet] 1 Atk x5 = 5 Atk
Uncommon [wingull] 1 Spe x5 = 5 Spe
Rare [kecleon] 1 SpD x5 = 5 SpD


Route 119 -- Best SpAtk

Common [oddish] 1 SpA x5 = 5 SpA


Route 120

Common [oddish] 1 SpA x5 = 5 SpA
Uncommon [marill] 2 HP x5 = 10 HP
Rare [kecleon] 1 SpD x5 = 5 SpD


Scorched Slab

Common [zubat] 1 Spe x5 = 5 Spe



Route 121

Common [shuppet] 1 Atk x5 = 5 Atk
Uncommon [wingull] 1 Spe x5 = 5 Spe
Rare [kecleon] 1 SpD x5 = 5 SpD



Safari Zone

Common [doduo] 1 Atk x5 = 5 Atk
Uncommon [oddish] 1 SpA x5 = 5 SpA
Rare [psyduck] 1 SpA x5 = 5 SpA



Mt. Pyre – Interior -- Best Atk

Common [shuppet] 1 Atk x5 = 5 Atk


Mt. Pyre – Exterior and Summit

Common [shuppet] 1 Atk x5 = 5 Atk
Uncommon [meditite] 1 Spe x5 = 5 Spe
Rare [vulpix] 1 Spe x5 = 5 Spe


Seafloor Cavern

Common [zubat] 1 Spe x5 = 5 Spe


Cave of Origin

Common [zubat] 1 Spe x5 = 5 Spe



New Mauville

Common [voltorb] 1 Spe x5 = 5 Spe
Uncommon [magnemite] 1 SpA x5 = 5 SpA



Shoal Cave – High Tide

Common [spheal] 1 HP x5 = 5 HP
Uncommon [zubat] 1 Spe x5 = 5 Spe



Shoal Cave – Low Tide

Common [zubat] 1 Spe x5 = 5 Spe
Uncommon [spheal] 1 HP x5 = 5 HP



Shoal Cave – Ice Room

Common [zubat] 1 Spe x5 = 5 Spe
Uncommon [spheal] 1 HP x5 = 5 HP
Rare [snorunt] 1 HP x5 = 5 HP



Victory Road

Common [zubat] 1 Spe x5 = 5 Spe
Uncommon [aron] 1 Def x5 = 5 Def
Rare [loudred] 2 HP x5 = 10 HP



Sky Pillar

Common [golbat] 2 Spe x5 = 10 Spe
Uncommon [ariados] 2 Atk x5 = 10 Atk
Rare [swablu] 1 SpD x5 = 5 SpD

 

[shiny finder]

Ready for QC!

OP is the proposed update for our current Gen 6 EV horde training guide. The changes are in red, plus the ORAS hide tag.

 

[Lumari]

guess we can tag the usual folks here cant say LegoFigure11 Theorymon DHR-107 Hulavuta atsync Its_A_Random

also Stellar as original author

 

[Sk3no]

Route 8 - Muraille Coast

Common [wingull] 1 Spex5 = 5 Spe
Uncommon
X [zangoose] 2 Atkx4 = 9 Atk + 1 SpA
[seviper] 1 Atk + 1 SpAx1
Y [seviper] 1 Atk + 1 SpAx4 = 6 Atk + 4 SpA
[zangoose] 2 Atkx1
Rare [swellow] 1 Spex5 = 5 Spe

it's supposed to be Taillow

Route 18 - Vallée Étroite Way

Common [geodude] 1 Defx5 = 5 Def
Uncommon [durant] 2 Defx5 = 10 Def
Rare
[durant] 2 Defx4 = 8 Def + 2 SpA
[heatran] 2 SpAx1

Should be Heatmor

Common [foongus] 1 HPx5 = 5 HP
Uncommon [poliwag] 1 Spex5 = 5 Spe
Rare [lotad] 2 SpDx5 = 10 SpD

Should be Lombre.

Looks good, it's just those small nitpicks on pokemon names

 

[cant say]

The information seems a little all over the place. If there's "best" places for training certain stats, why bother even listing the other places? If being comprehensive is something we want, then why not section the whole list off under headings, like all the places for HP in one section, another for Atk etc... But I find people only care about where the single-best places to train are, not every single one.

Rusturf Tunnel is listed twice btw

 

[shiny finder]

snip

Good spy, thanks! Those are actually all correct in the original guide (and my html), I just transcribed it wrong here lol. Oh the joys of keeping different docs. Fixed! :)

Rusturf Tunnel is listed twice btw

Fixed, thanks!

Not the original author, so I can't speak for the designed intent (though I'd tend to agree with you--people only really care about the best). What I gathered is the order is based on the order you encounter the routes in the game, which I tried to emulate in the ORAS section. Xenforo doesn't really allow me to show it easily, but the current guide has links along the top for the best and "second best" routes for training. When I put "Best HP" or whatever, I'm trying to say that will be linked as such along the top.

If I had to provide justification for the current setup, I'd say that people have their preferred routes, even if they're not the best (i.e. to each their own). Listing all provides a way for them to choose, a comprehensive list of the hordes for the site (which we don't really have anywhere else afaik), and the option to EV train no matter how far they are in the game. Listing them (roughly) in order of appearance eliminates any subjectivity over organization, such as "Route X is better put in the Y section imo because Z."

With that said, if consensus is a reorganization/condensation I'd be happy to oblige. Personally, I too would have gone with an organization such as what you suggested if I were to start over, but I was just trying to update ;) Not sure how much of that was apparent when you made your comment, or if it changes anything, so I'll await feedback.

Thanks for the thoughts!

edit:

I'm on my phone atm, but I've notices that another mon is wrong that I didn't catch, in Frost Cavern it should be Vanillite instead of Vanillish

Fixed!

 

[Sk3no]

I'm on my phone atm, but I've notices that another mon is wrong that I didn't catch, in Frost Cavern it should be Vanillite instead of Vanillish

 

[Eisenherz]

Like cant say, I would agree that most people really only want to read the one best spot for a specific stat, so it would be useful for them if there was such list made obvious before the exhaustive list (which most people probably don't want to go through).

However, this is clearly a problem that was there with the original article. If the goal is not to revamp the article entirely but rather just to update it with the ORAS information, then I think it's a job well done!

 

[shiny finder]

cant say Eisenherz I've reorganized a bit to make the list of best locations a more pronounced. Right now I think I'll nix the links along the top for the best and alternate locations, and instead make a new section for the best routes. I've uploaded an image to the OP so you can see what I'm talking about (just imagine the sprites in there in between the route and XX EVs). The route names link to the full route information later on in the article. I think I'll keep the list of all the routes in there since it's there if they want it, and tbh that was a lot of work :P

But I'm still open to suggestions. Thanks!

 

[Eisenherz]

That looks really good (except for the Times New Roman ewwwww)! Exactly what it needed in my opinion, and leaving the whole thing at the end is definitely a good thing, the more information the better. I have no more suggestions! :P

 

[shiny finder]

Thanks guys! Since there seems to be nothing else I submitted the scms.

 

[Lumari]

gped this in the scms + added to the on-site guide