So HP FIre them!Leavanny is also much less bulky, and slightly slower/weaker. Ferrothorn will survive +2 X-Scissor, as will Scizor and Metagross.
So HP FIre them!Leavanny is also much less bulky, and slightly slower/weaker. Ferrothorn will survive +2 X-Scissor, as will Scizor and Metagross.
1. this is a leafeon discussionSo HP FIre them!
Leavanny has better SpA than Leafeon. And it has better coolness factor too.1. this is a leafeon discussion
2. Leavanny's SpA iirc is quite terrible
Actually, doesn't Naughty Leavanny 2HKO Skarm on the switch-in with HP Fire? You have to take into account their similarities... Personally, I think Leafeon is the premier wish-passer for Sunny Day teams now.leavanny has some notable advantages such as a resistance to mach punch, but leafeon outclasses it with its superior stats. Face it, a Bug STAB isn't going to help in terms of coverage when Grass STAB is stronger and has similar coverage. Leafeon's special attack may be lower, but leavanny doesn't get work up, and so you'll often find hidden power fire to be underwhelming even with the sun boost. Leafeon also has a higher speed stat allowing it to invest more in its attacking stats and even its defense stats.
IN SUN! Gawd, can't you read the post? Of course, Chansey's a good wish-passer, but Vaporeon's Scald is severely hampered and Jirachi doen't like having one of his only weaknesses doubled.^No, that's Jirachi, Vaporeon, and Chansey. Leafeon should be keeping his wishes to himself if anything.
I read the post quite well. So I guess it's okay to leave Jirachi in on Heatran's fire blast when sunlight is down? You'll be switching fire weak pokemon out of fire attacks regardless of whatever weather is up. Even ferrothorn doesn't sit there in front of heatran's face when its raining. Water type pokemon are common on balanced sun teams. They just don't bother using water attacks.IN SUN! Gawd, can't you read the post? Of course, Chansey's a good wish-passer, but Vaporeon's Scald is severely hampered and Jirachi doen't like having one of his only weaknesses doubled.
Leafeon is the fastest wish-passer now... (was it before) and it makes a really great physical wall!I read the post quite well. So I guess it's okay to leave Jirachi in on Heatran's fire blast when sunlight is down? You'll be switching fire weak pokemon out of fire attacks regardless of whatever weather is up. Even ferrothorn doesn't sit there in front of heatran's face when its raining. Water type pokemon are common on balanced sun teams. They just don't bother using water attacks.
In sunlight, those three are all better wish passers for more reasons outside of higher hp. Leafeon is passing wishes of a mere 167 hp to his allies. That's not even half of Ninetales' health. No team is going to want that at all, sun or no sun. I may as well be using wish passer jolteon...who would still be better on sun teams because he can still pass fast wishes while sunlight is down and enemy weather is up.
That may be true, but I like to see that Grass/Normal typing as a nuisance more to prove more trouble than its worth. That combo does not offer any compliments, and the array of Vaccum Wave/Mach Punch users out there even in UU does not exactly make Sawsbuck sitting the hits.I agree with Alpha on this one. Leafeon still faces huge competition for a place on a Sun team, even with Egg moves. Offensively Sawsbuck utterly outclasses it, as a SD Baton Passer Sawsbuck still competes and things like Gliscor do as well due to not compounding sun's weaknesses for little gain, as a Wishpasser those things Alpha mentioned compete (as well as Xatu, who has crappy wishes but an awesome ability).
Personally I still don't see much hope for Leafeon, I may try him out as a Sub+SD or Sub+Wishpasser with possible Yawn abuse, but even then I'm not too hopeful for it in most cases, since it's better to either use something more offensive as your Chlorophyller, or if Leafeon is your second not compound your weaknesses by using something else.
It's not the defensive side of Grass/Normal that offers benefits, it's offensively. Normal is a fantastic neutral STAB to have access to, and STAB Return is what makes Sawsbuck so deadly (that and acces to Jump Kick and Nature Power) as opposed to Leafeon's absolute lack of useful coverage - so overall it boils down to "do I want to be able to sweep at all" when choosing between them. As a BPer yeah leafeon's bulk is useful, but it comes down to whether you'd like your BPer to be able to hurt things not weak to Grass in a pinch or be bulkier, so Leafeon may clinch it there - but again a Gliscor passing may well bring more to a sun team.That may be true, but I like to see that Grass/Normal typing as a nuisance more to prove more trouble than its worth. That combo does not offer any compliments, and the array of Vaccum Wave/Mach Punch users out there even in UU does not exactly make Sawsbuck sitting the hits.
Leafeon, on the other hand, has respectable physical bulk, and can take weaker physical hits like a champ. I guess it all boils down to "do you want ANOTHER Fighting weak on your lineup?" or not.
I agree with Wish though, Wish on Leafeon is gimmicky at best, but does provide good cover. If I were to go on the Wish route however, I would make Leafeon a very dedicated Baton Passer, with 252 HP/Whatever Spd EVs to make it outspeed Scarf revenge killers.
What do you think?
I honestly have considered this, as it will (I think) make Leafeon survive any physical Fire STAB from UU, as well as using it to burn down Steel-types attempting to wall you after a Swords Dance. What about the sun? Occa Berry would null the effects of the Sun, would that allow Leafeon to survive? On the other hand, Natural Gift Fire under the sun is decent at best after a SDance.And although it sucks, natural gift will take you farther than hp fire. Believe me on this.
Leafeon is no were near Kingdra because of his shallow movepool and obvious weaknesses (steels and fires) which completely wall him.Agreed. IMO it's the sun's equivalent to Kingdra.
I wouldn't say that necessarily. The sad truth is Leafeon's movepool is very barren. Despite the significant nerf Wish received in this case, that chunk of HP could have some value, so I think it's worth considering if you're going to choose Leafeon over another Pokemon. Maybe not the best option, but you don't have too many to choose from anyway and they're all pretty meh.Now that we have established that Wish is not worth using
stopped reading when I saw this.... sorry.Synthesis also heals 3/4 hp in the sun.
Use with Gravity support?how about natural gift ground or fighting on leafeon. I prefer ground but with air ballon....