I think that, if it was up to me, I would have a teraless ladder/OM. I also think that, due to external factors and multiple reasons, it is not a good idea and further discussion of it is completely pointless and a complete waste of time.
I think that drugs and prostitution should be legal. I also think that due to the society we live in they should never be legal, and pushing for that is pointless.
I'm sorry for you if you don't have the critical thinking skills to analyze an issue from multiple perspectives.
Lol. Let me spell it out for you since it seems you missed the point: I don't believe you when you say that.
I don't believe it when you say you would want a teraless ladder/OM or would do it but can't because literally everything else you say is reasons why you think we shouldn't do it, shouldn't even discuss it, and how pointless and a waste of time it is. Dude, if you maybe made one fucking argument for why you think a teraless ladder/OM would be helpful and wouldn't be a waste of time, compared to everything else you said against it, then maybe you could talk about having a more nuanced perspective. I used my critical thinking skills to determine you were probably full of crap.
And to be perfectly clear, being against it is a fine position to have. But don't come on here and pretend you are for it in any way when you clearly aren't. And don't say that you are being misunderstood when you cannot say a single non-negative thing about it.
As I explained, I find the idea of a teraless OM not only not good but also actively detrimental, as such you will understand that I find reasons to not do it in the first place.
So if it was up to you, you
wouldn't actually have a Tera-less OM as you literally just claimed earlier in your comment? This is why I have a problem. As for OMs, we have all sorts of goofy OMs and no one has a problem with this. As soon as Tera is involved or not, peoples' attitudes change fast.
It's the same, even if you don't want to admit it. I countered your point and you just said "no it isn't". And the slippery slope is a fact, I've heard the argument of spikeless or sleepless ladder so many times.
So what happened with those Sleep arguments? Oh yeah, the council treated Sleep differently than a pokemon. And no one made a sleepless ladder, as I already alluded to. Slippery slope is still a logical fallacy. And you can look that up, by the way. A simple Google search could tell you who is right here.
Tera is not the same even if you don't want to admit it. But rather than boiling everything I said to
"no it isn't", which is another logical fallacy, you could maybe go back and read my actual arguments properly with those critical thinking skills you are so proud of. Or maybe admit that a generational mechanic is not the same as a pokemon? I originally didn't think you were arguing in bad faith on purpose, but now I'm not sure. You are full of bad faith arguments here, which is very ironic considering how you ended this comment.
What if Amoonguss was completely broken and we had no sleep and sleep ladders? Like, sleep is a mechanic, and sleep was treated just like a regular ban, tera is just an added bonus, another mechanic in the game.
No. Actually, sleep was treated differently as it was mainly a council decision. I already stated this multiple times. Like you do realize that the council chose to ban sleep over like Darkrai and Valiant, right? So why do you keep acting like different things are treated the same. This is a clear attempt to whitewash the obvious differences.
Completely missing the point and focusing only on one example. Cool.
Completely missing the point and ignored all the other examples in the same exact post, like the sleep ban and your Gambit example. Cool. At this point, you aren't even trying.
I guess agree to disagree. I just felt like giving my two cents on what a teraless ladder implies in a non-biased way and provide context for previous discussions, and you're painting me as if I'm the tera lord and believe that running Clef Hatterene Gambit RBolt GFire Dirge constitutes a monofairy team.
What are you talking about? Nothing you said has been unbiased. You're against the whole idea and even the conversation of it. Those are literally your words. You did mention to the other poster about coming in with an unbiased view, but you don't seem to be taking your own advice. You already made your own conclusions on how the whole thing would turn out.
This is why I believe discussion on teraless ladder is absolutely pointless, we run in circles and don't end up talking about what actually matters when considering a teraless ladder, which is due process. If you want precedent on how shit turns out, check the Gen 6 UU no scald ladder kerfuffel. Everything that people say it's going to happen with an alternate ladder has already happened in the past. We have had threads dedicated to discussing the merits of tera and gallons of ink have been spilled on the subject.
Which is why we never had a Tera-less ladder and the suggestion this time is in the form of an OM. Agree or disagree with that, it's certainly different.
Furthermore, it would likely be better to have a comparison than to have these arguments about it where we think we know the impact but cannot prove it.
The current meta isn't exactly well liked right now, so it's obvious that people will try to find the cause. Ban discussions and the like will continue to be popular until and unless the meta settles in a way that is more popular. Until then, you can expect many theories on the root cause.