UU OMs Mega Thread

EV

Banned deucer.
Thank god Khan and Braviary are leaving STABmons UU even though they had Quagsire, Ditto, and Skarmory to keep them in line. The biggest surprise is Infernape, Yanmega, and Bouffalant were even in OU at some point. It's kind of annoying that stuff like Cloyster, Bibarel, and Whimiscott are up there still. I guess their old legacy is still holding on.
 
Hey just thought I'd make a post for tier shift uu cause it doesn't look like it exists "officially" yet.

Banlist:
Alomomola, Miltank(?), Amoonguss, Scizor, Sawk, Politoed, Audino, Meloetta, Xatu, Scyther, Sableye, Jolteon, Gastrodon(?), Bisharp, Typhlosion, Sharpedo, Mismagius, Ferrothorn, Beedrill, Archeops, Durant, Shedinja, Cresselia, Slurpuff, Quagsire, Scrafty, Gallade, Pidgeot, Camerupt, Metagross, Kabutops, Pinsir, Chansey, Hariyama, Kyurem, Magneton, Electivire, Mandibuzz, Hitmonlee, Escavelier, Zangoose, Galvantula

A ton of stuff looks broken, namely: Emboar, Mamoswine, Diancite, Altarianite, Tyrantrum, Charizardites, Lati@s, and both Landori off the top of my head. This is all on paper and I don't want to ban anything until we have an amble amount of games under our belt.
 
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(Sorry for lateness but I forgot)

Changes this month:
- Aggron-Mega, Giratina-Origin, Metagross-Mega
+ Audino-Mega, Alakazam-Mega, Ho-Oh, Yveltal

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+ Aegislash, Whimsicott

- Ferrothorn, Rotom-Wash, Latias, Altaria, Jolteon, Raichu, Snorlax, Jirachi, Gallade, Typhlosion
+ Aromatisse, Salamence, Thundurus, Chandelure, Sceptile, Kingdra, Blaziken, Abomasnow

- Gothitelle, Arcanine, Dialga, Sceptile, Cinccino, Landorus, Sawsbuck, Ditto, Latias, Cloyster, Mew
+ Tangrowth, Heracross, Yanmega, Weavile, Salamence, Regice, Venusaur, Gallade, Blissey, Ferrothorn, Manaphy, Starmie, Slowbro

- Rotom-Wash, Hydreigon, Latias, Goodra, Sneasel, Conkeldurr, Meloetta, Florges
+ Houndoom, Starmie, Darmanitan, Magnezone, Pikachu, Vaporeon, Krookodile, Hippowdon, Pangoro

- Greninja, Kyurem-Black, Landorus, Jirachi, Skarmory, Ursaring, Thundurus-Therian, Bisharp, Ditto, Sceptile, Forretress
+ Excadrill, Yanmega, Dragonite, Blissey, Chandelure, Terrakion, Breloom, Starmie, Porygon2, Scolipede
 

Funbot28

Banned deucer.
Could we see like an "Anything Goes" UU meta game, it might be stupid but still a little interesting..

Edit: By using the 3.416% cutoff system from the 1760 usage stats, here would be the following bans:

Code:
Arceus
Rayquaza
Groudon
Xerneas
Klefki
Darkrai
Kyogre
Yveltal
Lugia
Mewtwo
Arceus-Steel
Arceus-Ghost
Arceus-Fairy
Smeargle
Ditto
Gengar
Diancie
Scolipede
Deoxys-Attack
Arceus-Ground
Ho-Oh
Sableye
Talonflame
Aegislash
Ferrothorn
Blaziken
Skarmory
Yay no more SwagKeys!! But seriously, by looking at this I can see a more metagame less reliant on HO teams, and more balanced teams can emerge

Tagging Snaquaza to implement on Aqua :)
 
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Changes this month:
- Audino-Mega, Yveltal
+ Latias-Mega, Metagross-Mega, Aggron-Mega, Blaziken-Mega, Ferrothorn

- Gengar, Gardevoir, Heracross, Aegislash, Talonflame
+ Hoopa-Unbound, Victini

- Manectric, Thundurus, Arcanine, Porygon2, Kingdra, Blaziken, Abomasnow
+ Heliolisk, Crobat, Amoonguss, Shedinja, Serperior, Volcarona, Terrakion, Rotom-Wash, Raichu, Ferrothorn, Gliscor, Excadrill, Lopunny, Gyarados, Jellicent, Cofagrigus, Cherrim

- Yanmega, Venusaur, Scizor, Aurorus, Ferrothorn, Conkeldurr, Manaphy, Starmie, Landorus-Therian, Goodra, Slowbro
+ Hoopa-Unbound, Cinccino, Manectric, Keldeo, Gardevoir, Diancie, Rhyperior, Volcarona, Landorus, Sceptile, Marowak, Latias, Azumarill, Gogoat, Sylveon

- Houndoom, Charizard, Magnezone, Pikachu, Kyurem, Krookodile, Hippowdon, Talonflame, Togekiss, Jirachi, Pangoro
+ Rotom-Wash, Omastar, Tornadus-Therian, Conkeldurr, Gallade, Slowbro, Chandelure, Landorus-Therian, Latias

- Excadrill, Dragonite, Chandelure, Terrakion, Starmie, Porygon2, Scolipede, Quagsire
+ Alakazam, Ursaring, Hoopa-Unbound, Forretress, Darkrai, Jirachi, Beedrill, Venusaur
 

Funbot28

Banned deucer.
Changes this month:
- Houndoom, Charizard, Magnezone, Pikachu, Kyurem, Krookodile, Hippowdon, Talonflame, Togekiss, Jirachi, Pangoro + Hoopa-Unbound, Rotom-Wash, Omastar, Tornadus-Therian, Conkeldurr, Gallade, Slowbro, Chandelure, Landorus-Therian, Latias
Hoopa-U was banned in AAA, so it shoudn't drop if it's usage spiked down
 
Changes this month:
- Groudon-Primal, Kyogre-Primal, Latias-Mega, Blaziken-Mega, Ferrothorn
+ Kyogre, Yveltal, Groudon, Reshiram, Charizard-Mega-Y, Audino-Mega

- Garchomp, Victini, Metagross
+ Gardevoir, Chansey

- Altaria, Genesect, Hippowdon, Latias
+ Drapion, Lucario

- Heliolisk, Crobat, Conkeldurr, Serperior, Volcarona, Smeargle, Lucario, Dragonite, Terrakion, Chandelure, Raichu, Gliscor, Excadrill, Aerodactyl, Lopunny, Gyarados, Cherrim
+ Cresselia, Typhlosion, Kingdra, Ludicolo

- Galvantula, Tangrowth, Scolipede, Cinccino, Manectric, Keldeo, Gyarados, Gardevoir, Diancie, Rhyperior, Volcarona, Regice, Salamence, Heracross, Marowak, Gallade, Latias, Gogoat, Blissey
+ Arcanine, Conkeldurr, Nidoking, Cloyster, Espeon, Pinsir, Hippowdon, Scizor, Gothitelle, Goodra, Amoonguss, Glaceon, Azelf, Sawsbuck, Altaria

- Hoopa-Unbound, Omastar, Starmie, Conkeldurr, Gallade, Slowbro, Vaporeon, Chandelure, Umbreon, Latias, Raikou
+ Hydreigon, Magnezone, Charizard, Blissey

- Yanmega, Bibarel, Whimsicott, Celebi, Forretress, Darkrai, Breloom, Blissey, Beedrill, Venusaur
+ Thundurus-Therian, Quagsire, Raikou, Kyurem-Black, Excadrill, Skarmory, Porygon2, Starmie, Weavile, Slowbro, Hippowdon
 

Josh

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Could we see like an "Anything Goes" UU meta game, it might be stupid but still a little interesting..

Edit: By using the 3.416% cutoff system from the 1760 usage stats, here would be the following bans:

Code:
Arceus
Rayquaza
Groudon
Xerneas
Klefki
Darkrai
Kyogre
Yveltal
Lugia
Mewtwo
Arceus-Steel
Arceus-Ghost
Arceus-Fairy
Smeargle
Ditto
Gengar
Diancie
Scolipede
Deoxys-Attack
Arceus-Ground
Ho-Oh
Sableye
Talonflame
Aegislash
Ferrothorn
Blaziken
Skarmory
Yay no more SwagKeys!! But seriously, by looking at this I can see a more metagame less reliant on HO teams, and more balanced teams can emerge

Tagging Snaquaza to implement on Aqua :)
I love AG, but having AG UU defeats the point of AG. It isn't "Anything Goes" if you have a usage banlist. It just doesn't work.
 
Changes this month:

- Ho-Oh, Reshiram
+ Latias-Mega, Blaziken-Mega, Gyarados-Mega

- Jirachi, Azumarill, Whimsicott, Hoopa-Unbound
+ Garchomp, Heracross, Metagross

- Pinsir, Landorus
+ Zapdos, Scolipede, Conkeldurr, Cradily

- Bisharp, Diancie, Cofagrigus, Typhlosion, Mienshao, Kingdra, Jellicent, Shedinja, Ludicolo
+ Terrakion, Volcarona, Slowbro, Heliolisk, Blaziken, Porygon2, Chandelure, Conkeldurr, Lucario, Gyarados, Dusclops, Jirachi

- Nidoking, Cloyster, Espeon, Pinsir, Hippowdon, Goodra, Amoonguss, Glaceon, Azelf, Sawsbuck, Sylveon, Altaria
+ Salamence, Cinccino, Chandelure, Galvantula, Rotom-Wash, Slurpuff, Excadrill, Virizion, Venusaur, Diancie, Tangrowth, Miltank

- Magnezone, Alakazam, Mandibuzz
+ Starmie, Raikou, Chesnaught, Chandelure, Hippowdon, Houndoom, Jirachi

- Braviary, Quagsire, Skarmory, Porygon2, Kangaskhan, Espeon, Aegislash, Cloyster, Hippowdon
+ Breloom, Terrakion, Forretress, Bisharp, Manaphy, Whimsicott, Manectric, Zapdos, Venusaur, Empoleon, Slowking, Infernape
 
Changes this month:

- Groudon, Gyarados-Mega
+ Steelix-Mega, Ho-Oh, Charizard-Mega-X, Garchomp-Mega

- Heracross, Meloetta, Chansey
+ Gengar, Aegislash, Scizor

- Scolipede, Conkeldurr
+ Pinsir, Latias, Metagross, Cloyster, Dragalge, Landorus

- Weavile, Sableye, Salamence, Clefable, Rotom-Wash, Lucario, Gyarados, Dusclops, Jirachi
+ Kingdra, Dragonite, Serperior, Mawile, Bisharp, Diancie, Breloom, Carracosta, Ludicolo, Thundurus, Swanna

- Salamence, Rotom-Wash, Arcanine, Slurpuff, Excadrill, Virizion, Gothitelle, Venusaur, Diancie, Tangrowth, Conkeldurr, Miltank
+ Hippowdon, Genesect, Stoutland, Aurorus, Wobbuffet, Mew, Keldeo, Gardevoir, Gyarados, Regice, Landorus-Therian, Manectric, Servine, Metagross, Sylveon

- Tornadus-Therian, Metagross, Darmanitan, Thundurus, Chesnaught, Chandelure, Infernape, Shuckle, Houndoom, Jirachi
+ Umbreon, Excadrill, Heracross, Mandibuzz, Magnezone, Florges, Alakazam, Slowbro, Vaporeon, Pikachu

- Raikou, Terrakion, Excadrill, Bisharp, Manaphy, Manectric, Pidgeot, Zapdos, Venusaur, Alakazam, Empoleon, Slowking, Infernape
+ Cloyster, Espeon, Yanmega, Dragonite, Braviary, Blissey
 

AWailOfATail

viva la darmz
How do you determine what is UU and what is OU?
Using the usage stats from the previous few months. Everything that appears over 3.41% of the time is considered OU in that metagame; everything else is UU. It's essentially how Pokémon are determined to be OU and UU and so forth in regular tiers, but we just use the data only from that metagame.

Usage stats can be found at http://www.smogon.com/stats/2015-10

Since I'm certainly not the expert on the subject, more details can be found here.
 
Changes this month:

- Garchomp-Mega
+ Groudon

- Aegislash, Scizor
+ Magnezone, Chansey

- Aegislash, Drapion, Empoleon, Metagross, Cloyster, Dragalge, Cradily
+ Hippowdon

- Volcarona, Mawile, Slowbro, Breloom, Carracosta, Swanna, Porygon2
+ Sableye, Weavile, Abomasnow, Arcanine, Latios, Clefairy, Thundurus-Therian, Shedinja, Lapras, Cherrim, Rotom-Wash

- Genesect, Stoutland, Mamoswine, Galvantula, Chandelure, Wobbuffet, Mew, Gyarados, Latios, Manectric, Servine, Metagross, Sylveon
+ Volcarona, Cloyster, Gothitelle, Venomoth, Venusaur, Latias, Rhyperior, Nidoking, Conkeldurr, Zoroark, Jolteon, Politoed, Glaceon, Exploud

- Umbreon, Excadrill, Heracross, Blissey, Florges, Vaporeon, Pikachu
+ Thundurus, Metagross, Infernape, Shuckle, Latias

- Yanmega, Slowbro, Forretress, Blissey
+ Crawdaunt, Excadrill, Alakazam, Venusaur, Gliscor, Quagsire, Beedrill, Pidgeot
 
STABmons UU Threats

Hippowdon is a massive threat due to its ability to wall a myriad of threats and heal back off all of the damage easily. The prime physical attackers are stopped cold by Gengar, and it has a very great matchup versus the majority of the tier.
STABmons UU Viability Rankings
compiled and ran by baconbagonz, Scyther No Swiping, and unfixable

S Rank
Hippowdon
Manectric-Mega
Pinsir-Mega
Salamence
Terrakion
A+ Rank
Bisharp
Blissey
Gengar
Klefki
Porygon2
Slowbro
Skarmory
A Rank
Infernape
Latias
Kangaskhan
Politoed
Swampert-Mega
Tornadus-Therian
Victini
A- Rank
Celebi
Heracross-Mega
Jolteon
Ninjask
Pangoro
Pyroar
Shaymin
Yanmega
Zapdos
B Rank
Bibarel
Chandelure
Darmanitan
Exploud
Florges
Heliolisk
Lucario
Malamar
Metagross
Rhyperior
Volcarona
C Rank
Clawitzer
Flareon
Forretress
Shedinja
Swoobat
Xatu
Zebstrika​

STABmons UU Replays

 
How closely related is this to the monotype uu thats been popping up in the mono room? The big things ive noticed is that the mono rooms mono uu has a slightly arbitrary point of banning (2.something iirc) and the bans are type related (Thundurus on flying is used enough to be banned, but thundurus on electric is not used enough to be "mono ou") and i think theres a spreadsheet somewhere of the banned pokemon. Are there plans on connecting these kinda different mono uus?
 
How closely related is this to the monotype uu thats been popping up in the mono room? The big things ive noticed is that the mono rooms mono uu has a slightly arbitrary point of banning (2.something iirc) and the bans are type related (Thundurus on flying is used enough to be banned, but thundurus on electric is not used enough to be "mono ou") and i think theres a spreadsheet somewhere of the banned pokemon. Are there plans on connecting these kinda different mono uus?
Pretty sure they aren't connected. The room bases it on types or something (scpinion can verify) whereas this uses purely the Smogon usage based tiering system. I can remove Monotype from here if the relevant people (read: council) want me to; though, I prefer following the Smogon system.
 

scpinion

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How closely related is this to the monotype uu thats been popping up in the mono room? The big things ive noticed is that the mono rooms mono uu has a slightly arbitrary point of banning (2.something iirc) and the bans are type related (Thundurus on flying is used enough to be banned, but thundurus on electric is not used enough to be "mono ou") and i think theres a spreadsheet somewhere of the banned pokemon. Are there plans on connecting these kinda different mono uus?
TI is right; they aren't connected.

The Monotype room implemented it's own format to play in room tours/events where we separate the usage by type. The cutoff is 2.53% on the type-separated usage stats we publish to the monotype website. That equates to 1 in 27 battles (opposed to 20), which was arbitrarily chosen to get what we (me and our mono UU council) consider "overused" on the Monotype ladder. You can find more info on the metagame in the Monotype Resources thread.

We chose to deviate from the Smogon cutoff and implement type-only bans because it isn't a Smogon-sponsored metagame. If this ever became official (which certainly isn't happening anytime soon), we'd change the cutoff and ban broken 'mons. I don't know how the type only thing would work in that case.

I don't see a need to remove it from here if everything is automatically generated.
 
Changes this month:

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+ Swampert-Mega, Sceptile-Mega, Groudon, Latias-Mega

- Charizard-Mega-X, Charizard-Mega-Y, Mawile-Mega, Salamence-Mega, Lopunny-Mega, Gyarados-Mega, Metagross-Mega, Sableye-Mega, Gardevoir-Mega, Alakazam-Mega, Venusaur-Mega, Aggron-Mega, Whimsicott, Victini, Meloetta, Slowbro-Mega
+ Charizard, Mawile, Salamence, Lopunny, Sableye, Gyarados, Gardevoir, Alakazam, Metagross, Aggron, Venusaur, Gengar, Garchomp, Magnezone

- Charizard-Mega-Y, Sableye-Mega, Scizor-Mega, Medicham-Mega, Venusaur-Mega, Gardevoir-Mega, Gallade-Mega, Gyarados-Mega, Pinsir-Mega, Lopunny-Mega, Empoleon, Cloyster, Chansey, Diancie-Mega, Drapion, Garchomp-Mega, Heracross-Mega, Latios-Mega, Tyranitar-Mega
+ Sableye, Gyarados, Charizard, Gardevoir, Medicham, Gallade, Venusaur, Diancie, Pinsir, Latias, Swampert, Lucario, Lopunny

- Charizard-Mega-Y, Aerodactyl-Mega, Gardevoir-Mega, Kangaskhan-Mega, Snorlax, Excadrill, Abomasnow-Mega, Jolteon, Sceptile-Mega, Vaporeon, Jellicent, Mawile-Mega, Clefable, Tyranitar-Mega, Garchomp-Mega, Gengar-Mega
+ Charizard, Gardevoir, Kingdra, Kangaskhan, Venusaur, Sableye, Diancie, Swampert, Aromatisse, Blaziken, Metagross, Abomasnow, Sceptile, Cresselia, Latios, Clefairy, Thundurus-Therian, Ludicolo, Blastoise, Terrakion, Cherrim, Scizor

- Lopunny-Mega, Beedrill-Mega, Zygarde, Sceptile-Mega, Volbeat, Alakazam-Mega, Mamoswine, Miltank, Roserade, Galvantula, Medicham-Mega, Abomasnow-Mega, Feraligatr, Suicune, Genesect, Wobbuffet, Tangrowth, Froslass, Cacturne, Tyranitar-Mega, Garchomp-Mega
+ Abomasnow, Lopunny, Charizard, Cloyster, Gothitelle, Venomoth, Hippowdon, Scizor, Venusaur, Regice, Landorus-Therian, Sceptile, Latias, Rhyperior, Nidoking, Conkeldurr, Beedrill, Gardevoir, Zoroark, Politoed, Glaceon, Exploud, Azumarill

- Metagross-Mega, Rampardos, Swampert-Mega, Heracross, Darmanitan, Thundurus-Therian, Moltres, Scizor-Mega, Heracross-Mega, Garchomp-Mega, Tyranitar-Mega, Latios-Mega
+ Swampert, Hydreigon, Gyarados, Starmie, Metagross, Charizard, Diancie, Magnezone, Latias, Alakazam, Slowbro

- Diggersby, Altaria-Mega, Keldeo, Sylveon, Porygon-Z, Scizor-Mega, Metagross-Mega, Charizard-Mega-Y, Lopunny-Mega, Skarmory, Terrakion, Latias, Slowking, Magnezone, Klefki, Diancie-Mega, Slowbro-Mega, Yanmega, Pidgeot-Mega, Venusaur-Mega, Forretress, Aerodactyl-Mega, Tyranitar-Mega, Garchomp-Mega, Sableye-Mega, Latias-Mega, Latios-Mega
+ Charizard, Starmie, Whimsicott, Crawdaunt, Blastoise, Braviary, Gyarados, Diancie, Clefable, Gardevoir, Snorlax, Alakazam, Venusaur, Gliscor, Quagsire, Beedrill, Pidgeot, Dragonite
 
Changes this month:

- Garchomp-Mega, Latias-Mega
+

- Blaziken-Mega
+ Victini, Meloetta, Slowbro-Mega

- Scolipede, Aegislash, Starmie, Lucario
+ Landorus, Hippowdon, Empoleon, Chansey

- Metagross, Electivire, Cresselia, Milotic, Terrakion, Manectric, Scizor, Volcarona, Crobat, Sableye, Metagross-Mega, Manectric-Mega, Scizor-Mega, Sableye-Mega
+ Aerodactyl-Mega, Snorlax, Thundurus, Abomasnow-Mega, Serperior, Jellicent, Mawile-Mega, Shedinja, Clefable, Bisharp

- Latios, Cloyster, Articuno, Charizard-Mega-X, Azumarill, Regice, Landorus-Therian, Bisharp, Heracross, Linoone, Scolipede, Chandelure, Victini, Heracross-Mega, Latios-Mega
+ Zygarde, Volbeat, Mamoswine, Alakazam, Jolteon, Feraligatr, Suicune, Wobbuffet, Tangrowth, Froslass, Cacturne

- Gyarados-Mega, Hydreigon, Tornadus, Talonflame, Regirock, Umbreon, Arcanine, Rotom-Heat, Gyarados
+ Breloom, Rampardos, Cresselia, Mandibuzz, Swampert-Mega, Heracross, Shuckle, Darmanitan, Thundurus-Therian, Moltres, Heracross-Mega

- Gyarados, Mew, Crawdaunt, Whimsicott, Snorlax, Arcanine, Gyarados-Mega, Dragonite, Staraptor
+ Togekiss, Thundurus-Therian, Latias, Magnezone, Klefki, Espeon, Diancie-Mega, Weavile, Latios, Stoutland, Latias-Mega, Latios-Mega
 

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