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So I am just getting started for playing little cup, but there is one thing I can't understand. In showdown, it says Ferroseed is banned and is in P.U, but when I played, it was not banned and I actually could use it despite saying it was banned. Why is that the case
 

Fille

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So I am just getting started for playing little cup, but there is one thing I can't understand. In showdown, it says Ferroseed is banned and is in P.U, but when I played, it was not banned and I actually could use it despite saying it was banned. Why is that the case
Simulator problems, a small bug or something. Nothing to worry about, Ferroseed is gonna stay in the tier for quite some time.
 

sam-testings

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LC is a seperate tier from the usage based tiers of ou, uu, ru, etc, so there are some LC mons that are in those tiers that have that label in the teambuilder but are still in LC. Usage of a Pokemon in another tier doesn't affect that Pokemon in LC.
 
Quick question. Is lcuu coming anytime soon?
I quickly made this to see what would be banned if it was a thing, using the same method as for OU/UU/RU/NU/PU.
  1. Mienfoo 40,12 %
  2. Vullaby 31,78 %
  3. Onix 30,34 %
  4. Abra 30,13 %
  5. Pawniard 26,28 %
  6. Grimer-Alola 21,81 %
  7. Timburr 21,32 %
  8. Snivy 18,82 %
  9. Staryu 18,30 %
  10. Diglett 17,84 %
  11. Foongus 14,10 %
  12. Chinchou 13,95 %
  13. Gastly 12,09 %
  14. Ferroseed 11,15 %
  15. Spritzee 11,07 %
  16. Shellder 10,05 %
  17. Croagunk 9,68 %
  18. Snubbull 9,65 %
  19. Torchic 9,22 %
  20. Mudbray 9,04 %
  21. Ponyta 8,28 %
  22. Magnemite 7,93 %
  23. Scraggy 7,56 %
  24. Dwebble 7,46 %
  25. Meowth 6,67 %
  26. Carvanha 6,55 %
  27. Drilbur 6,55 %
  28. Vulpix-Alola 6,47 %
  29. Wingull 6,04 %
  30. Zigzagoon 6,04 %
  31. Doduo 5,99 %
  32. Elekid 5,86 %
  33. Pumpkaboo-Super 5,62 %
  34. Dewpider 5,37 %
  35. Slowpoke 5,09 %
  36. Mareanie 4,88 %
  37. Bunnelby 4,87 %
  38. Larvesta 4,02 %
  39. Omanyte 3,73 %
  40. Surskit 3,51 %
 
I quickly made this to see what would be banned if it was a thing, using the same method as for OU/UU/RU/NU/PU.
  1. Mienfoo 40,12 %
  2. Vullaby 31,78 %
  3. Onix 30,34 %
  4. Abra 30,13 %
  5. Pawniard 26,28 %
  6. Grimer-Alola 21,81 %
  7. Timburr 21,32 %
  8. Snivy 18,82 %
  9. Staryu 18,30 %
  10. Diglett 17,84 %
  11. Foongus 14,10 %
  12. Chinchou 13,95 %
  13. Gastly 12,09 %
  14. Ferroseed 11,15 %
  15. Spritzee 11,07 %
  16. Shellder 10,05 %
  17. Croagunk 9,68 %
  18. Snubbull 9,65 %
  19. Torchic 9,22 %
  20. Mudbray 9,04 %
  21. Ponyta 8,28 %
  22. Magnemite 7,93 %
  23. Scraggy 7,56 %
  24. Dwebble 7,46 %
  25. Meowth 6,67 %
  26. Carvanha 6,55 %
  27. Drilbur 6,55 %
  28. Vulpix-Alola 6,47 %
  29. Wingull 6,04 %
  30. Zigzagoon 6,04 %
  31. Doduo 5,99 %
  32. Elekid 5,86 %
  33. Pumpkaboo-Super 5,62 %
  34. Dewpider 5,37 %
  35. Slowpoke 5,09 %
  36. Mareanie 4,88 %
  37. Bunnelby 4,87 %
  38. Larvesta 4,02 %
  39. Omanyte 3,73 %
  40. Surskit 3,51 %
Thanks! Interesting to see no tortuga on the banlist. Also rufflet's allowed lol
 
I'm not sure if this is the best place to ask, but why do people use oran berries in Generation 4 LC even though berry juice was obtainable by stealing from wild Shuckles?
 

Simbo

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Quick question, but is there some sort of 'minimum resuspect time period' where, if a suspected pokemon does not get banned, it cannot be put up for resuspect for a certain amount of time? For example, if torchic isn't banned for this test, but after lcpl and late lc seasonal, there is a decent sample size of high level matches which open up argument for a resuspect, can lc council resuspect so soon after a suspect?
Sorry if this question is worded weirdly.
 

Gummy

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Quick question, but is there some sort of 'minimum resuspect time period' where, if a suspected pokemon does not get banned, it cannot be put up for resuspect for a certain amount of time? For example, if torchic isn't banned for this test, but after lcpl and late lc seasonal, there is a decent sample size of high level matches which open up argument for a resuspect, can lc council resuspect so soon after a suspect?
Sorry if this question is worded weirdly.
I don't think there's an official cooldown in place, but I'm guessing people would be a bit hesitant to rush into another suspect right after one for the same mon just happened. Could be wrong though, look at Diglett :psywoke:
 
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I don't think there's an official cooldown in place, but I'm guessing people would be a bit hesitant to rush into another suspect right after one for the same mon just happened. Could be wrong though, look at Diglett.
We generally don't do suspects one after another. Diglett was not suspected twice in a row.

To answer the prior question, we wait for the metagame to develop a while. If there is a significant change in power of something in particular, something that becomes more popular after the metagame shifts, or something we didn't quite see the prior time, we then prepare for another suspect.

So don't worry, if Torchic survives this suspect, we're not holding another suspect in a week and a half.
 
I’d like to ask if Long Reach Rowlet or Defiant Piplup have any use in LC. Long Reach Rowlet could deal with Iron barbs Ferroseed pretty well in addition to Defogging the Spikes/Stealth Rock away. Defiant seems like a weird ability on Piplup but with Intimidate sets on Snubbull that check Pawniard it could predict switches into Snubbull and get the boost and kill it, letting Pawniard back in. Or are they useless/outclassed?
 

Fille

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I’d like to ask if Long Reach Rowlet or Defiant Piplup have any use in LC. Long Reach Rowlet could deal with Iron barbs Ferroseed pretty well in addition to Defogging the Spikes/Stealth Rock away. Defiant seems like a weird ability on Piplup but with Intimidate sets on Snubbull that check Pawniard it could predict switches into Snubbull and get the boost and kill it, letting Pawniard back in. Or are they useless/outclassed?
While Long Reach is a fun Niche for Rowlet, its role was never trying to kill Ferroseed, nor will it ever. Furthermore the viability of Rowlet comes from slowpassing boosts to sweepers, which has nothing to do with Long Reach at all. Piplup was never really that viable tbh, and Defiant does not really help at all, considering the prefered set (I think) uses Scald, granted I could be wrong as this is a rather redundant pokemon. Also Snubbull certainly does not check Pawniard, quite the opposite actually. Sorry Mr Aura.
 
While Long Reach is a fun Niche for Rowlet, its role was never trying to kill Ferroseed, nor will it ever. Furthermore the viability of Rowlet comes from slowpassing boosts to sweepers, which has nothing to do with Long Reach at all. Piplup was never really that viable tbh, and Defiant does not really help at all, considering the prefered set (I think) uses Scald, granted I could be wrong as this is a rather redundant pokemon. Also Snubbull certainly does not check Pawniard, quite the opposite actually. Sorry Mr Aura.
I think you’ll find that’s Ms Aura, but please, forget formalities. Also, given that Snubbull runs Close Combat, it can OHKO any Pawniard build. So I take back my statement of Snubbull checking Pawniard, but given that it can safely switch in against non-Scarf variants it can OHKO it. I’m still pretty new to LC and am still learning the threats in the metagame.
 

Fille

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I think you’ll find that’s Ms Aura, but please, forget formalities. Also, given that Snubbull runs Close Combat, it can OHKO any Pawniard build. So I take back my statement of Snubbull checking Pawniard, but given that it can safely switch in against non-Scarf variants it can OHKO it. I’m still pretty new to LC and am still learning the threats in the metagame.
Pawniard runs 16 speed 90% of the time, the other 10% being Adamant on certain scarf variants. Snubbull maxes out at 13.

+1 156 Atk Pawniard Iron Head vs. 36 HP / 36 Def Eviolite Snubbull: 24-30 (104.3 - 130.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Possible damage amounts: (24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 26, 26, 26, 26, 26, 26, 26, 26, 26, 26, 30)

This is against the bulkiest Snubbull set, which is also by far the least common one. Defiant means Pawniard can't be checked unless someone were wild enough to run scarfed Snubbull (Which sounds fun, I'm gonna try that), and otherwise Close Combat is very uncommon at the moment, meaning even hard switching a Pawniard in on Snubbull is without a doubt not a very safe move, it can be done in moments of desperation as Earthquake does not kill.

196+ Atk Snubbull Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 36 Def Eviolite Pawniard: 12-16 (57.1 - 76.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Possible damage amounts: (12, 12, 12, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 16)


I do apologise though ms Aura for getting the formalities wrong. I would also like to mention that your interest in LC and the lesser used mons as Rowlet and Piplup are well appreciated, and I am always up for making a Rowlet or Piplup squad should you still have an interest in them :]
 
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Pawniard runs 16 speed 90% of the time, the other 10% being Adamant on certain scarf variants. Snubbull maxes out at 13.

+1 156 Atk Pawniard Iron Head vs. 36 HP / 36 Def Eviolite Snubbull: 24-30 (104.3 - 130.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Possible damage amounts: (24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 26, 26, 26, 26, 26, 26, 26, 26, 26, 26, 30)

This is against the bulkiest Snubbull set, which is also by far the least common one. Defiant means Pawniard can't be checked unless someone were wild enough to run scarfed Snubbull (Which sounds fun, I'm gonna try that), and otherwise Close Combat is very uncommon at the moment, meaning even hard switching a Pawniard in on Snubbull is without a doubt not a very safe move, it can be done in moments of desperation as Earthquake does not kill.

196+ Atk Snubbull Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 36 Def Eviolite Pawniard: 12-16 (57.1 - 76.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Possible damage amounts: (12, 12, 12, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 16)


I do apologise though ms Aura for getting the formalities wrong. I would also like to mention that your interest in LC and the lesser used mons as Rowlet and Piplup are well appreciated, and I am always up for making a Rowlet or Piplup squad should you still have an interest in them :]
I do have interest in a Rowlet/Piplup Team, but I’m not very good at building teams. Would Rowlet have to carry Baton Pass, as it is the only reason to use it? Also, how would Defiant Piplup work? Thanks for being helpful!
 

Fille

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I do have interest in a Rowlet/Piplup Team, but I’m not very good at building teams. Would Rowlet have to carry Baton Pass, as it is the only reason to use it? Also, how would Defiant Piplup work? Thanks for being helpful!
Haha you're welcome. No, Rowlet does not HAVE to carry Baton Pass, it's just the main reason i's ranked as a C-(?) mon on the viability rankings (not certain about the rank tbh). As for Piplup, I haven't tested Defiant yet but there is probably a way to make it work. While you may doubt your abilities to build, I do not doubt mine, so we could easily fix up some solid heat :] Just hit me up if you see me online, F i l l e, fairly easy to spot :]
 
Haha you're welcome. No, Rowlet does not HAVE to carry Baton Pass, it's just the main reason i's ranked as a C-(?) mon on the viability rankings (not certain about the rank tbh). As for Piplup, I haven't tested Defiant yet but there is probably a way to make it work. While you may doubt your abilities to build, I do not doubt mine, so we could easily fix up some solid heat :] Just hit me up if you see me online, F i l l e, fairly easy to spot :]
I’ve checked Piplup’s stats and it’s special Attack stat is higher than Attack, so making a Defiant Piplup would be tricky. With that in mind, I’ve tried making a set that physically attacks:
Piplup @ Eviolite
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spe/ 4 Def
Adamant Nature
-Waterfall
-Swords Dance
-Drill Peck
-Brick Break

It does pretty well against a ton of LC threats, but it is heavily reliant on getting Swords Dance up or a Defiant boost.
+2 252+ Atk Piplup Drill Peck vs. 196 HP / 100 Def Eviolite Mareanie: 9-11 (37.5 - 45.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO(Mareanie’s Sludge bomb 3HKOs too, but Piplup is faster.)

+2 252+ Atk Piplup Drill Peck vs. 0 HP / 156 Def Eviolite Timburr: 18-22 (75 - 91.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Piplup Brick Break vs. 0 HP / 36 Def Pawniard: 24-32 (114.2 - 152.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO(Pawniard is faster but cannot OHKO)

252+ Atk Piplup Brick Break vs. 84 HP / 108+ Def Eviolite Ferroseed: 8-10 (36.3 - 45.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO(2HKO If Defiant boosted)

+1 252+ Atk Piplup Drill Peck vs. 0 HP / 36 Def Mienfoo: 22-26 (104.7 - 123.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO(Swords Dance is your only chance to OHKO this thing)

+1 252+ Atk Piplup Waterfall vs. 116 HP / 36 Def Mudbray: 30-36 (120 - 144%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 

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Gummy

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There's also the simple problem that Defog is incompatible with Defiant, and Defog is one of the few reasons to run Piplup. If you want a physical Water-type attacker, just run Corphish. It's far stronger thanks to Adaptability and also gets access to Swords Dance.
 
There's also the simple problem that Defog is incompatible with Defiant, and Defog is one of the few reasons to run Piplup. If you want a physical Water-type attacker, just run Corphish. It's far stronger thanks to Adaptability and also gets access to Swords Dance.
Ah, finally, a good LC Physical Water-type. I’ve been looking for a good one for a while. My Defiant Piplup is just a gimmick as I was seeing if it had any use against top LC threats. I guess not.
 

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