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[OVERVIEW]
Porygon-Z boasts a massive Special Attack stat and access to various coverage moves. It is in an average speed tier but it makes up for this with the use of Z-Conversion. This move also boosts its rather poor defenses allowing it to avoid some knockouts but it still remains fragile due to the threat of being targeted by both opponents. Due to its Special Attack and ability, Porygon-Z is able to muscle through most of the prominent Pokemon in the tier, such as Mega Gengar, Tapu Fini and Landorus-Therian. Despite all of this, the lack of spread moves means that it can not deal with two offensive Pokemon at once, and its defenses prevent it from setting up easily.

[SET]
name: Z-Conversion
move 1: Thunderbolt / Shadow Ball
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Conversion
move 4: Protect
item: Normalium Z
ability: Adaptability
nature: Modest
evs: 52 HP / 252 SpA / 204 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
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The first move will determine what type Porygon-Z becomes after using Conversion so the choice between Thunderbolt and Shadow Ball depends on the rest of your team. Shadow Ball hits most Pokemon besides notably Snorlax and Tyranitar. On the other hand, the coverage that Thunderbolt provides alongside Ice Beam is phenomenal as no relevant Pokemon resists these moves. Ice Beam also picks off common threats such as Landorus-Therian, Mega Salamence and Zygarde. Conversion is necessary as it is the move that makes Porygon-Z a threat in the first place, and finally the last slot belongs to Protect. This is necessary to scout for opposing attacks or for allowing a partner to take out an opponent that would have threatened Porygon-Z.

Set Details
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Normalium-Z is mandatory in order to use Conversion as a Z-Move. Adaptability further increases the raw power of the STAB moves that Porygon-Z uses which are Thunderbolt and Shadow Ball. Modest nature further complements its already impressive Special Attack, it should also be noted that Timid nature does not allow it to outspeed anything that it doesn't already. The EV spread is needed in order to outspeed Tapu Koko, Mega Gengar and Rash Deoxys-A after the Z-Move, and Special Attack is maxed for maximum damage, while the rest is dumped into HP for additional bulk.

Usage Tips
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It would be in your best interest to send Porygon-Z out when you are sure that your opponent cannot prevent you from clicking Z-Conversion since it can completely turn the tide of a battle after setting up. Its wise to weaken Pokemon that would threaten Porygon-Z first so that it has no problem in boosting as soon as possible, examples include Snorlax and Kyurem-Black. It is also much easier to click Z-Conversion when facing slow bulky Pokemon, for example Tapu Fini, Zapdos, Amoonguss and Snorlax. Porygon-Z appreciates as much support as it can get; redirection prevents it from taking lethal damage, Fake Out aids in setting up and Tailwind nullifies the awkward speed tier that it has to deal with. Keep in mind that once you have clicked Z-Conversion, you won't be switching Porygon-Z out as it only works once so using it wisely is key. Setting up hastily can cause you to lose a win-con early into the game and setting up too late will not have the same impact as you probably won't have enough support to win the game with Porygon-Z.

Team Options
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Porygon-Z is best paired with Pokemon that offer support to it in order to help it set up safely, or allies that boost the power of its existing arsenal. Mew is an ideal teammate for Porygon-Z, it has access to both Fake Out and Tailwind as well as Transform which enables you to have 2 boosted Porygon-Z at the same time. This is usually enough to seal the win in a battle. Amoonguss is another Pokemon that supports Porygon-Z fantastically. Its bulk paired with Rage Powder can redirect attacks that would otherwise have been lethal for Porygon-Z, Amoonguss can also immobilize opponents with the use of Spore. A partner with Intimidate, usually Landorus-Therian, would also make it possible for Porygon-Z to soak up Physical hits easily. Tapu Koko is a solid teammate, especially when Porygon-Z runs Thunderbolt over Shadow Ball. Meanwhile, Alolan-Ninetales can use Aurora Veil and halve the damage done to Porygon-Z, the Hail also gives it the option to run Blizzard over Ice Beam.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Z-Conversion is probably the only viable set that Porygon-Z can run, this makes other options sparse. But you can choose to run Recover over Protect for extra longevity and also Blizzard over Ice Beam when you have a partner that can set up Hail.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Faster Pokemon**: Jolly Scarf Landorus-Therian and Scarf Tapu Lele can revenge kill it after it has taken some damage. Generally faster Pokemon can also take it out before it has even set up.

**Bulky Attackers**: Pokemon such as Snorlax, Ferrothorn or Assault Vest users, can finish Porygon-Z when its weakened. But it can still deal with these Pokemon because Snorlax and Landorus-T get 2HKOed and OHKOed respectively, and Ferrothorn cannot deal enough damage back.

**Spread Attackers**: Pokemon with spread moves are able to ignore redirection and can severely damage Porygon-Z, in particular, Earthquake is especially dangerous for Thunderbolt variants of Porygon Z. Notable examples include Heatran and Landorus-Therian.

**Speed Control**: Opposing Tailwind and Trick Room users make Porygon-Z much less effective as it cannot deal with threats as easily and it does not have the bulk to tank hits if it gets double-targeted.

**Haze, Phazing, and Clear Smog**: As Porygon-Z can only setup once, opponents with Haze/Clear Smog or moves such as Roar can cause it to become significantly less threatening for the rest of the battle due to the lack of speed, but its Special Attack compensates for that, allowing it to still be somewhat of a threat.
 
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I haven't used much Porygon-Z myself, so just a few quick recommendations:
  • Slash Thunderbolt with Shadow Ball, when using it beside Tapu Koko it's a really strong STAB attack and helps against Fini
  • Boost the Speed to 204 EVs so that Porygon-Z outspeeds Rash Deo-A after boosting
  • Recommend Tapu Koko as a partner if using Tbolt
  • Add Recover to OO for use over Protect
  • Add a **Haze, Phazing, and Clear Smog** tag to Checks and Counters because Porygon-Z only gets one chance to set up
At first glance this seems pretty solid, I'll try out P-Z for myself and get back to you with more input!
 
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I haven't used much Porygon-Z myself, so just a few quick recommendations:
  • Slash Thunderbolt with Shadow Ball, when using it beside Tapu Koko it's a really strong STAB attack and helps against Fini
  • Boost the Speed to 204 EVs so that Porygon-Z outspeeds Rash Deo-A after boosting
  • Recommend Tapu Koko as a partner if using Tbolt
  • Add Recover to OO for use over Protect
  • Add a **Haze, Phazing, and Clear Smog** tag to Checks and Counters because Porygon-Z only gets one chance to set up
At first glance this seems pretty solid, I'll try out P-Z for myself and get back to you with more input!
implemented thanks :]
 
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I think the current metagame favors Electric P-Z more than Ghost P-Z. The latter is walled by Tyranitar and Snorlax even after the boost. I guess you can say the same thing with Electric P-Z being walled by Ferrothorn, but I think the counter to Ghost P-Z is more prevalent than the counters for Electric P-Z. Being able to further augment its fire power with Tapu Koko is also a nice plus.

Basically slash Thunderbolt before Shadow Ball IMO.
 

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[OVERVIEW]
  • Has access to 135 base Special Attack and a good special move pool.
  • 90 base speed allows it to out speed most common Pokemon in the meta after a boost.
  • Does well at eliminating or weakening threats for teammates to clean up afterwards
  • It lacks a spread move so it can not deal with multiple foes at a time.
  • Does not have the most impressive bulk so a super effective hit can take it out most of the time.
Mention z conversion in overview

[SET]
name: Z-Conversion
move 1: Shadow Ball / Thunderbolt I'd put tbolt before shadow ball in this meta
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Conversion
move 4: Protect
item: Normalium Z
ability: Adaptability
nature: Modest
evs: 52 HP / 252 SpA / 204 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
  • Shadow Ball allows Porygon-Z to become a Ghost Type after using Conversion as well as being an 80 base power Adaptability boosted move. In addition it hits most of the tier neutrally, the only notable exceptions would be Snorlax and Tyranitar.
  • Ice Beam gives it a coverage option to hit common threats such as Landorus-Therian, Mega Salamence and Zygarde.
  • Conversion is the core move of this set, it is used as a Z-Move and gives Porygon-Z a single boost in every stat barring Accuracy and Evasion.
  • Finally, Protect is necessary in order to scout for the opponent's moves as well as giving a turn for your partner to eliminate a foe that would have prevented you from setting up.
Talk about thunderbolt

Set Details
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  • Normalium Z is self explanatory as it allows Porygon-Z to set up and become an immediate threat.
  • Adaptability boosts the power of every move that you have in your first slot as long as you have used Conversion.
  • Modest nature allows Porygon-Z to easily pick up KOs and threaten the opposing team with its boosted STAB attacks.
  • The EV set is simple with 252 Spa for maximum raw power. 204 Speed allows it to out speed Tapu Koko, Mega Gengar and Rash Deoxys-A. The rest is in HP for additional bulk.

Usage Tips
========
  • Porygon-Z should be sent out when you are sure the opponent will not be able to knock it out, or if they won't attack it at all.
  • Z-Conversion should be used against Pokemon that wouldn't be able to knock Porygon-Z out, or against slow bulky Pokemon where it can set up safely.
  • The lack of its initial bulk can make it harder to set up so play carefully as this Pokemon can be a valuable win condition in some games.
  • Partners with Rage Powder/Follow Me and Tailwind support can be used to help it set up more safely. Fake out too
  • Do not hesitate to keep clicking Shadow Ball or thunderbolt after Z-Conversion as it will easily take down most offensive Pokemon that might have threatened your team otherwise.

Team Options
========
  • Porygon-Z appreciates all the support it can get in order to set up.
  • It generally pairs well with Mew, as it provides Fake Out which can allow it to click Z-Conversion Turn 1. Mew also has access to Transform which enables you to have 2 Porygon-Z that have boosted every stat. Mew can also use tailwind
  • Amoonguss is also a good partner as it has good bulk and Rage Powder redirects hits from Porygon-Z to itself. It can also use Spore to immobilize Pokemon that would have been able to take out Porygon-Z.
  • Intimidate users such as Landorus-Therian which make it possible for Porygon-Z to soak up hits more easily.
  • A teammate with Tailwind would allow it to set up against Pokemon generally faster than it and tank their hits after it has gotten an increase in bulk.
  • Tapu Koko can be a solid teammate if you opt to go for Thunderbolt over Shadow Ball as the terrain provides even more raw power.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
  • Shadow Ball can be swapped out for Thunderbolt as it is generally stronger and gives Porygon-Z Bolt-Beam coverage. Remove now
  • Recover over Protect offers more longetivity against slower opponents.
Blizzard can be used with Ninetales

Could mention scarf/specs

Checks and Counters
===================

**Faster Pokemon**: Jolly Scarf Landorus-Therian and Scarf Tapu Lele can revenge kill it after it has taken some damage.

**Dark-type Pokemon**: Such as Hoopa and especially Assault Vest Tyranitar as they can easily OHKO Porygon-Z. Since electric-type should be the main set maybe change this to strong bulky attackers or something

**Speed Control**: Opposing Tailwind and Trick Room users make Porygon-Z much less effective as it cannot deal with threats as easily and it does not have the bulk to tank hits if it gets double-targeted.

**Haze, Phazing, and Clear Smog**: As Porygon-Z can only setup once, opponents with Haze/Clear Smog or moves such as Roar can cause it to become a sitting duck for the rest of the battle.

spread attackers wear it down pretty quickly and ignore redirection
 

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Demantoid I've implemented your changes besides the Scarf/Specs as I think better scarf users such as Lele and Lando can easily take it out whether its a revenge kill or a straight up KO from like Superpower.
 
[MOVES] - Mention the excellent coverage Ice Beam + Tbolt gets after you talk about Ice Beam

[USAGE TIPS] - Say something about being able to only set up once, so making sure it counts is key. Talk about weakening or eliminating fat Pokemon like Kyurem-B and Snorlax so they do not contest your boosted Porygon. Fake Out support should go with the rest. From what I've seen, you rarely set up Turn 1 (and Rage Powder + Conversion can also be used Turn 1, so it's kind of weird to differentiate it for Fake Out).

[TEAM OPTIONS] - Mention Alolan Ninetales here because screens + this thing is really stupid.

[OTHER OPTIONS] - When you write this up, make sure to say something about Z-Conversion being Porygon's only niche, making the OO section quite sparse. Also switch "if you have Alolan Ninetales in your team" with "hail" because MAboma is a thing

[C&C] - sitting duck made me laugh. Talk about EQ being especially scary if PZ is using TBolt because it's super effective and give examples of spread attackers here (Lando-T, Heatran, etc)

nice work :) tag me when you've implemented this stuff, when I like your post feel free to write it up

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[Overview]
  • "Porygon-Z offers a major offensive presence to its user, due to its above average Special Attack stat and access to various coverage moves. It also is in a decent speed tier which is further boosted by its main role with the use of Z-Conversion." Rewrite this because this reads kinda weird. Also its not just an "above average Special Attack", theres like 3 relevant non-mega Pokemon in the metagame that have a higher SpA (Hoopa-U, Aegislash, and Deoxys-A), and it's speed tier is actually pretty poor prior to a boost so your writing should accurately reflect that.
  • "This move also boosts its rather mediocre defenses allowing it to take hits more easily", it still can't take hits well after a boost since its defenses are that bad.
  • "Porygon-Z does well at eliminating single targets that would otherwise be threatening for your other Pokemon." Tell me how it does this, and why it is good at what it does relative to the metagame, because otherwise this is just a pointless sentence.
  • "Despite all of this, it lacks spread moves...", a lack of spread moves does not necessarily have to be a bad thing, so you should explain why a lack of spread moves is a hindering factor for PZ.
Set Details
========
  • "Modest nature further complements its already impressive Special Attack," and also because utilizing a Timid nature does not provide any relevant benchmarks due to Porygon-Z having a relatively awkward Speed-tier at +0.
  • "Special Attack is maxed for obvious reasons, while the rest is dumped into HP for additional bulk." Don't say "obvious reasons", but rather, for maximum damage or some shit.

Usage Tips
========
  • "It would be in your best interest to send Porygon-Z out at the perfect moment since it can completely turn the tide of a battle after setting up." This doesn't clarify anything. Describe what that "perfect moment" is.
  • "It is also much easier to click Z-Conversion when facing slow bulky Pokemon." Such as... Snorlax? Which Pokemon provide the easiest opportunities to setup on? This relates to the first point because you've alluded to an optimal setup situation but you haven't actually clarified what that is.
  • "Porygon-Z appreciates as much support as it can get, so partners with redirection, Fake Out and Tailwind help it greatly." In what way? Redirection aids in setting up and sweeping, so include that. Fake Out also aids in setting up so include that. Tailwind can mitigate the awkward speed tier that Porygon Z finds itself in, so include that.
  • "Keep in mind that once you have clicked Z-Conversion, you won't be switching Porygon-Z out as it only works once so using it wisely is key." The bolded part is redundant, but you should look to point out common errors players make when using Porygon Z.
  • "After setting up, do not hesitate to spam your STAB move as it will easily eliminate most offensive Pokemon that would have troubled your team otherwise." Redundant.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Faster Pokemon**:
  • Also mention Pokemon that can outrun it at +0 and threaten the setup.
**Bulky Attackers**:
  • Explain how they are either checks or counters, since Thunderbolt 2HKOs Snorlax, Ferro doesn't do enough damage, and the most common Assault Vest user, Landorus-T, still loses to Ice Beam. In this case, mention that bulkier Pokemon can pick Porygon Z off if its weakened.
**Spread Attackers**:
  • "Pokemon with spread moves are able to ignore redirection and can severely damage Porygon-Z, in particular, Earthquake in particular is especially dangerous for Thunderbolt variants of Porygon Z", it's lazy but it's a bit more clear than what you have written.
**Haze, Phazing, and Clear Smog**:
  • It's not quite a sitting duck since it still has good coverage backed by a very good SpA, but it's significantly less threatening.

Make the changes and i'll make someone else stamp it for 2/2
 
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[Overview]
  • "Porygon-Z offers a major offensive presence to its user, due to its above average Special Attack stat and access to various coverage moves. It also is in a decent speed tier which is further boosted by its main role with the use of Z-Conversion." Rewrite this because this reads kinda weird. Also its not just an "above average Special Attack", theres like 3 relevant non-mega Pokemon in the metagame that have a higher SpA (Hoopa-U, Aegislash, and Deoxys-A), and it's speed tier is actually pretty poor prior to a boost so your writing should accurately reflect that.
  • "This move also boosts its rather mediocre defenses allowing it to take hits more easily", it still can't take hits well after a boost since its defenses are that bad.
  • "Porygon-Z does well at eliminating single targets that would otherwise be threatening for your other Pokemon." Tell me how it does this, and why it is good at what it does relative to the metagame, because otherwise this is just a pointless sentence.
  • "Despite all of this, it lacks spread moves...", a lack of spread moves does not necessarily have to be a bad thing, so you should explain why a lack of spread moves is a hindering factor for PZ.
Set Details
========
  • "Modest nature further complements its already impressive Special Attack," and also because utilizing a Timid nature does not provide any relevant benchmarks due to Porygon-Z having a relatively awkward Speed-tier at +0.
  • "Special Attack is maxed for obvious reasons, while the rest is dumped into HP for additional bulk." Don't say "obvious reasons", but rather, for maximum damage or some shit.

Usage Tips
========
  • "It would be in your best interest to send Porygon-Z out at the perfect moment since it can completely turn the tide of a battle after setting up." This doesn't clarify anything. Describe what that "perfect moment" is.
  • "It is also much easier to click Z-Conversion when facing slow bulky Pokemon." Such as... Snorlax? Which Pokemon provide the easiest opportunities to setup on? This relates to the first point because you've alluded to an optimal setup situation but you haven't actually clarified what that is.
  • "Porygon-Z appreciates as much support as it can get, so partners with redirection, Fake Out and Tailwind help it greatly." In what way? Redirection aids in setting up and sweeping, so include that. Fake Out also aids in setting up so include that. Tailwind can mitigate the awkward speed tier that Porygon Z finds itself in, so include that.
  • "Keep in mind that once you have clicked Z-Conversion, you won't be switching Porygon-Z out as it only works once so using it wisely is key." The bolded part is redundant, but you should look to point out common errors players make when using Porygon Z.
  • "After setting up, do not hesitate to spam your STAB move as it will easily eliminate most offensive Pokemon that would have troubled your team otherwise." Redundant.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Faster Pokemon**:
  • Also mention Pokemon that can outrun it at +0 and threaten the setup.
**Bulky Attackers**:
  • Explain how they are either checks or counters, since Thunderbolt 2HKOs Snorlax, Ferro doesn't do enough damage, and the most common Assault Vest user, Landorus-T, still loses to Ice Beam. In this case, mention that bulkier Pokemon can pick Porygon Z off if its weakened.
**Spread Attackers**:
  • "Pokemon with spread moves are able to ignore redirection and can severely damage Porygon-Z, in particular, Earthquake in particular is especially dangerous for Thunderbolt variants of Porygon Z", it's lazy but it's a bit more clear than what you have written.
**Haze, Phazing, and Clear Smog**:
  • It's not quite a sitting duck since it still has good coverage backed by a very good SpA, but it's significantly less threatening.

Make the changes and i'll make someone else stamp it for 2/2
done thanks
 

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[OVERVIEW]

- The overview should reflect that Porygon-Z requires a lot of team support.

- When talking about its average Speed tier, mention that even with the +1 boost, it still cannot outspeed most Choice Scarf users (outsped by Scarf Lando, Scarf Genesect, Lele, etc.). It's the main flaw of its Speed tier being "average", aside from defense boosts kick in too late vs. most fast attackers.

- The whole point of mentioning the lack of defenses and bad speed tier, unable to outspeed some key Scarf users after the boost, is to point out why Porygon-Z cannot operate alone the way other setup sweepers like DD Mega Mence, or Zygarde, which still appreciates redirection but does not require it the way Porygon-Z does because they have bulk and resistances, and Porygon-Z has neither.

[USAGE TIPS]

- Remove Snorlax from the first list of things u can set up on, HHP can still hurt you if you actually get to hit the P-Z.

- Instead, mention single target attackers that don't hit hard off the bat, which can be redirected away by Amoonguss or your redirector of choice. So these list of Pokemon you can set up on may depend on what redirector you are using! The big example of this would be Tapu Koko when using Amoongus, as it cannot go through Amoonguss and its terrain also gives P-Z an insane power boost. Snorlax if you set up on it, should fit in this category instead of the category above like Zapdos and Tapu Fini which you can set up plainly against if necessary. If you are using something else like Togekiss as your redirector that changes list of stuff you can set up on: you might just get KO'd by Gigavolt Havoc and you cannot redirect the second move from donking your PZ before it sets up.

- "so using it wisely is key"

Tell us how. Don't just say "play well."

[C&C]

- Give examples of "Generally faster Pokemon can also take it out before it has even set up." like Tapu Koko, Marshadow, or Mega Salamence. However, also mention that the redirection often stops this from happening.

- Assault Vest users should list Kyurem-B by name, which is the only premier AV user that can actually hits from P-Z by resisting Thunderbolt, and chunk it back or Icy Wind it to make it much less threatening.

Overall thing throughout the analysis that probably is out of my expertise, but because how the analysis was constructed piecemeal with you putting down one information, but then you just add one contrasting phrase at the end to reflect what QC said, so it results in a prose that lacks direction because you waver back and forth which can be hard to follow.

Example: C&C sentence on Haze, Phazing, and Clear Smog: you waver back and forth but I think it was simply enough to make your expression of the situation less harsh by making 'P-Z is a sitting duck without boosts' -> 'P-Z is less threatening without boosts', and full stop there, as opposed to wavering back and forth and potentially confusing the reader. This isn't the only part where you do this. GP should handle prose flow, but you should read through your analysis and try to address it. It will help GP help you.

If you implement all this ill give you 2/2
 
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As someone who's used PZ quite a bit, I think Shadow Ball is complete garbage. The important distinction between the two types is that Electric PZ can take advantage of Terrain to OHKO a huge range of things, while Ghost PZ is left with a significantly weaker STAB to begin with and no Terrain option. Ghost PZ marginally improves your matchup vs Ferrothorn, since it can hit it with an unresisted STAB, but now you're taking double damage from the Gyro Ball which is no longer resisted. It also improves your matchup vs Scarf Landorus-T, but that's one you're probably winning anyway because a good PZ team can beat Scarf Landorus-T through Fake Out, Knock Off, or Tailwind. In exchange it makes you a lot weaker to important threats like Marshadow (LO can revenge Ghost PZ with Sneak after around 30% of chip damage, which isn't hard), Tyranitar (lol), Snorlax (you are doing 0 damage to it, and if it runs any coverage at all it will beat you easy), most Normal-types in fact, and Hoopa-U (Electric PZ can OHKO this with Terrain support, Shadow Ball maxes at 80%; Hoopa now OHKOs PZ due to the weakness). It even arguably loses against former PZ snack specially defensive Celesteela. Simply put, Ghost PZ hits a lot of things for neutral, and it just doesn't do enough on neutral hits to warrant the investment in its setup.

Here's some relevant calcs, showing three threats which you would want to run Ghost PZ for, and why it just doesn't do enough to warrant the worsened matchups.
  • +1 252+ SpA Adaptability Porygon-Z Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 52 SpD Ferrothorn: 248-294 (70.4 - 83.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    • 0+ Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. +1 4 HP / 0 Def Porygon-Z: 151-178 (48.3 - 57%) -- 91% chance to 2HKO
  • +1 252+ SpA Adaptability Porygon-Z Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mega Swampert: 272-320 (79.7 - 93.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  • +1 252+ SpA Adaptability Porygon-Z Shadow Ball vs. 224 HP / 12 SpD Assault Vest Kyurem-B: 214-252 (47.8 - 56.3%) -- 83.6% chance to 2HKO
    • ok lol actually that one is decent
edit: also lol accidental one month necro
 

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You make a lot of great points, move Shadow Ball to OO please Rafooa11 and give it a slightly more negative description to fit Level 51's input. Also, please get to work on implementing marilli's check soon, since he's offered to finish this up and get you moved onto GP once you do.
 

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Alright, you've had about 3 months and clearly aren't coming back to this - I'm going to lock and move this thread.
 
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