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Get rid of Bug Bite since it's Move Tutor only from Gen 4, so I'd probably just roll with X-Scissor for now.


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You only need one Pros and Cons section. Also, maybe Scizornite could be slashed on the trapper set because why not? It's a middle ground between the power of LO and the bulk of Assault Vest.
 
Also, maybe Scizornite could be slashed on the trapper set because why not? It's a middle ground between the power of LO and the bulk of Assault Vest.
I don't think this would work due to the way the analysis is set up. While it is a viable option, its turning into Mega Scizor. Anything related to Scizorite would have to go under Mega Scizor, wouldn't it? So wouldn't it have to be put under Mega Scizor with an identical setup?

(and yes I know this is my 1k post idgaf tbh)
 

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Also, add Defog, incredible mixed bulk (for Mega Scizor), and a great defensive typing to its Pros, and its 4x Fire weakness as a Con.
 

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[Pros]
<ul>
<li>Scizor has the most powerful U-turn in OU.</li>
<li>Scizor also has powerful priority in the form of Bullet Punch.</li>
<li>Its great typing leaves Scizor with only one weakness.</li>
<li>Scizor has incredible mixed bulk and great defensive typing.</li>
<li>Scizor is also a great Swords Dance Sweeper.</li>
<li>Scizor is one of the best Defog users.</li>
</ul>

[Cons]

<ul>
<li>Scizor can no longer check Dark- and Ghost-types as well as it could.</li>
<li>Scizor is 4x weak to Fire-type attacks.</li>
<li>It's pretty predictable.</li>
</ul>


<p>Scizor @ Choice Band<br />
Ability: Technician<br />
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD<br />
Adamant Nature<br />
- U-turn<br />
- Bullet Punch<br />
- Pursuit / Quick Attack<br />
- Brick Break<br />

<p>Scizor is a great Choice Band user, mainly because of its typing, high Attack, and access to useful moves. U-turn gains momentum in the form of switch advantage, and works nicely with Scizor's low Speed stat. Bullet Punch allows Scizor to pick off Pokemon such as Gengar and Salamence. Brick Break offers coverage for Scizor, as it hits Steel-types such as Magnezone for super effective damage, who would otherwise wall this set. Brick break also wrecks Dual Screen-based offensive teams, as it shatters the opponent's defensive barriers. Pursuit allows Scizor to trap Psychic- and Ghost-types such as Gengar and Starmie, eliminating them from the game completely. However, Quick Attack is an option to pick off Gyarados and Volcarona. The given EV spread maximises Scizor's bulk while maintaining his incredible power.</p>

<p>Rotom-W forms an incredible Volt-Turn core, as Rotom-W can beat all of Scizor's checks, namely Skarmory, Gyarados, and Tentacruel. Scizor, on the other hand can handle the Grass-types and specially defensive Pokemon that check Rotom-W, mainly Ferrothorn, Blissey, and Mega Venusaur. Because this set is often switching, Rapid Spin or Defog set support is very important. This means Starmie and Skarmory make for good partners. Finally, Blaziken appreciates Scizor's ability to remove Ghost- and Psychic-types, giving Blaziken a clear sweep.</p>


<p>Scizor @ Life Orb<br />
Ability: Technician<br />
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe<br />
Adamant Nature<br />
- Swords Dance<br />
- X-Scissor<br />
- Bullet Punch<br />
- Brick Break<br />

<p>Scizor can also run a really nice Swords Dance set. Swords Dance is used to boost Scizor's attack to very respectable levels. Bullet Punch offers strong priority, allowing Scizor to sweep through faster Pokemon such as Salamence and Gengar. Brick Break again offers coverage, nailing Magnezone. Finally, X-Scissor is listed for its consistency and STAB. A Life Orb is used to maximise power output - the EVs are designed to achieve the same goal.</p>

<p>Lucario pairs really nicely with this set, as they together break down each other's counters nicely for the other to sweep. Blaziken is also a great partner, as Blaziken can muscle through the Steel-types that can potentially wall Scizor, such as Skarmory. As always, Rotom-W is a great partner, because of the amazing synergy they both share.</p>


<p>Scizor @ Leftovers / Scizorite<br />
Ability: Technician<br />
EVs: 252 HP / 40 Atk / 216 SpD<br />
Adamant Nature<br />
- Defog<br />
- Roost<br />
- Bullet Punch<br />
- U-turn<br />

<p>Scizor is one of the best Defog users, mainly because of its typing, bulk, reliable recovery, and the ability to force switches nicely with U-turn. Defog allows Scizor to support the team by removing hazards. Roost keeps Scizor healthy throughout the game, and allows Scizor to constantly switch into the likes of Latias, Alakazam, and and Celebi (provided they lack Hidden Power Fire). Bullet Punch allows Scizor to pick off weakened Pokemon, while U-turn gains momentum for Scizor's teammates. EVs invest more into Special bulk, allowing Scizor to tank attacks such as Draco Meteor, Psychic, and Focus Blast. Leftovers is the main item of choice, but if your team doesn't use any other Mega Evolution, Scizorite is a viable option, as Roost somewhat makes up for Leftovers, and the increase in bulk overall is really appreciated.</p>

<p>Pokemon that appreciate the removal of hazards are good partners to this set, mainly because Scizor is one of the best users of Defog. Volcarona, Talonflame, and Dragonite make for good teammates because of this reason. Bulky Grass-types also pair nicely with this set, as Water-types can come in on this set easily. Amoonguss and Breloom make for the best partners. Once again, Rotom-W is an incredible partner, but Rotom-W pairs really well with this set in particular, because Rotom-W often switches due to the nature of Volt Switch, meaning with Defog support it won't take any damage from switching in.</p>

<p>Scizor @ Choice Scarf<br />
Ability: Technician<br />
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe<br />
Jolly Nature<br />
- U-turn<br />
- Bullet Punch / Iron Head<br />
- Pursuit<br />
- Brick Break<br />

<p>Although Scizor is generally seen with a Choice Band, Scizor can also pull off a very effective Choice Scarf set. With fully invested Speed, Scizor can out speed Alakazam and anything slower, meaning Choice Scarf Scizor is one of the best checks to Alakazam, Starmie, and Gengar, regardless of whether they have Hidden Power Fire or not. A fast U-turn is very helpful for hitting Starmie and Alakazam before they can hit Scizor first. Bullet Punch is still very useful as it's strong priority, but the power output compared to the other sets is very different, meaning Iron Head is an option for more solid power and 30% chance for flinch. Pursuit traps Psychic-types trying to switch, removing them from the game completely. Finally, Brick Break nails Scizor's general switch-ins such as Magnezone for solid damage.</p>

<p>This set fits best on hyper offensive teams that appreciate Starmie being eliminated from the game. So Gengar and Custap Berry Skarmory are the best partners for this set, as Gengar is the premium spinblocker for hyper offensive teams, meaning Skarmory will be able to keep its hazards up for the rest of the game. Lucario and Dragonite also make for good partners as they really appreciate Stealth Rock staying on the field, as it helps wear down their counters for a sweep.</p>

<p>Scizor @ Life Orb / Scizornite / Assualt Vest<br />
Ability: Technician<br />
EVs: 248 HP / 112 Atk / 148 SpD<br />
Adamant Nature<br />
- Pursuit<br />
- Bullet Punch<br />
- U-turn<br />
- Roost / Brick Break<br />

<p>This Scizor set is designed to trap and eliminate a few troublesome Pokemon. The key differences between this set and the Choice Band set is that Choice Band Scizor is often setup bait for a lot of sweepers once it's locked into Pursuit. The EVs are used to give Scizor surprisingly good bulk on the Special side, and with the combination of good bulk + Roost, Scizor can easily take on special attacks such as Draco Meteor and Giga Drain [[Psyshock calculates based off Defense]] repeatedly. Although Pursuit is the most important move for this set, it retains Bullet Punch for it's useful priority, and U-turn to gain momentum for Scizor's team mates. Roost is used to keep Scizor healthy throughout the match, and somewhat negates Life Orb recoil.</p>

<p>If Scizor is using an Assault Vest as your item of choice, 248 HP / 196 Atk / 64 SpD is the optimal spread, as this avoids the 2HKO from Life Orb Gengar's Focus Blast after Stealth Rock 100% of the time. Because you can't use status moves when using Assault Vest, Brick Break is the next best option over Roost.</p>

<p>This set works best with Fighting-type Pokemon, as Scizor does a great job in eliminating the Ghost- and Psychic-types that can potentially block a sweep. Strong attackers such as Lucario and Mienshao come to mind for this reason.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Fire-type moves hit Scizor for 4x damage and Fire-type Pokemon resist Scizor's STABs. Blaziken, Volcarona, Talonflame are all good examples. Steel-types resist both of Scizor's STABs and can use it as setup bait. Skarmory, Aegislash, and Magnezone are examples of this. Bulky Water-types are generally nice checks, so Tentacruel and Gyarados are great teammates. Bulky Ground-types such as Hippowdon and Gliscor do nicely versus Scizor. Finally, Pokemon that are faster than Scizor and resist Bullet Punch can easily revenge kill Scizor. Starmie, Jolteon, and Choice Scarf Politoed all fit this category.</p>



[Set Recommendations]

<p>Scizor @ Scizorite<br />
Ability: Technician<br />
EVs: 252 HP / 12 Atk / 244 SpD Scizor<br />
Adamant Nature<br />
- Swords Dance<br />
- Roost<br />
- Bullet Punch<br />
- X-Scissor<br />

<p>Scizor also gains a Mega Evolution, which is more bulkier than normal Scizor. With access to Roost, great defensive typing, and nice bulk, Scizor can pull off a bulky Swords Dance set nicely. With HP and Special Defense investment, Scizor can often find opportunities to start setting up. With 252 HP / 244 SpD investment, Scizor always avoids the 2HKO from Mega Gengar's Shadow Ball, while always 2HKOing back with Bullet Punch. Swords Dance boosts Scizor's attack, and after two or three boosts, it's hard to stop Scizor from sweeping. Roost keeps Scizor nice and healthy as it sets up, and allows Scizor to act as a tank mid-game for special attackers. Bullet Punch is STAB and offers nice general coverage, while X-Scissor is also STAB and and has consistent power and accuracy.</p>

<p>This Swords Dance sweeper is generally aimed at balanced teams, meaning bulky Grass-types that check bulky Water-types make for good partners. Amoonguss and Breloom are the best choices. Starmie makes for a good partner, for their decent synergy and - Scizor and Starmie have good synergy in terms of the Pokemon they can remove for each other, alongside Starmie's ability to clear the field with Rapid Spin. Lucario and Blaziken also complement Scizor nicely; Blaziken especially, as it can tear through Pokemon such as Skarmory, who would wall Scizor to no end. As always, Rotom-W is a great partner, thanks to their coverage and shared resistances.</p>
A few general pointers:
- I'd reread this: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/spelling-and-grammar-standards.3490681/
There are a LOT of common and simple mistakes you could've avoided.

- Please get your EVs in the right order, this makes them easier to read and put online
- Please also use the right abbreviations

- While style was generally good, there was some mindless repetition. try to avoid this to make for a more engaging read.

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I dislike the Scizorite slashes; just keep Mega separate. If you choose to use MegaZor, it is vastly superior. Just stick any Mega sets in the Mega section and remove Scizorite from normal set analyses.
 

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Also, add Defog,
Apparently Defog doesn't work for Scizor, due to a lack of available breeding partners. Yes, it apparently gets it as a breeding move, but irrc its partners are unavailable with Defog.
 
Apparently Defog doesn't work for Scizor, due to a lack of available breeding partners. Yes, it apparently gets it as a breeding move, but irrc its partners are unavailable with Defog.
getting scizor defog is a pain in the but wrapped in a pain in the but it requires you to have diamond/pearl/platinum and heart gold/soul silver teach scyther or a breeding partner defog in DPPL using the hm then trading it over to HGSS to transfer it
 

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And Pokemon Bank isn't available yet, so there's no way of transferring at all. Therefore, Defog cannot go on an analysis later.
 
just wondering why is there a defog moveset? just like super power and bug bite defog can only be obtainable on gen4 so theres no way to get defog on x y on sczior unless it has become an egg move wich i doubt.
 

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So this came into my mind yesterday.

I think Thief is a legitimate option on Scizor. Consider this for just a moment:

+2 Mega Scizor Thief (16 EVs, +Nature) Thief vs 252/0 Aegislash: 86%-100%+

Invest more in Attack and you can secure an OHKO, if you wish. However, since Aegislash can't actually do a lot back you can use it as set up bait.

Its BP boost combined with technician, and Steel types no longer resisting Dark goes a long way into making Thief a fearsome option. Combined with Bullet Punch, not much resists the combo, and Scizor certainly has the attack stat to actually make them hurt. With Swords Dance under Scizor's belt, Gyarados will think twice before switching in (especially offensive ones), and also dent Talonflame (unboosted Thief can 2HKO). The only things in OU that do resist the Thief/Bullet Punch combo are frail and can be worn down easily.

(Unfortunately knock off is unavailable...)
 
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So this came into my mind yesterday.

I think Thief is a legitimate option on Scizor. Consider this for just a moment:

+2 Mega Scizor Thief (16 EVs, +Nature) Thief vs 252/0 Aegislash: 86%-100%+

Invest more in Attack and you can secure an OHKO, if you wish. However, since Aegislash can't actually do a lot back you can use it as set up bait.

Its BP boost combined with technician, and Steel types no longer resisting Dark goes a long way into making Thief a fearsome option. Combined with Bullet Punch, not much resists the combo, and Scizor certainly has the attack stat to actually make them hurt. With Swords Dance under Scizor's belt, Gyarados will think twice before switching in (especially offensive ones), and also dent Talonflame (unboosted Thief can 2HKO). The only things in OU that do resist the Thief/Bullet Punch combo are frail and can be worn down easily.

(Unfortunately knock off is unavailable...)
Could no item (or dark gem if it is released) + thief be a thing for the offensive set? You can swipe Leftovers from a wall or LO from something like Aegislash or Offensive Gyara (in addition to the insane power boost). I am unsure if Knock Off is the best option for the Bulky Megazor set, since it only gets the boost once and is only so stronger than thief that one time (7.5 base power, but then moot after that).

Also you don't need more investment for Megazor to OHKO Aegislash, just rocks and either spikes or LO recoil (or 2 layers of Spikes).
 
So this came into my mind yesterday.

I think Thief is a legitimate option on Scizor. Consider this for just a moment:

+2 Mega Scizor Thief (16 EVs, +Nature) Thief vs 252/0 Aegislash: 86%-100%+

Invest more in Attack and you can secure an OHKO, if you wish. However, since Aegislash can't actually do a lot back you can use it as set up bait.

Its BP boost combined with technician, and Steel types no longer resisting Dark goes a long way into making Thief a fearsome option. Combined with Bullet Punch, not much resists the combo, and Scizor certainly has the attack stat to actually make them hurt. With Swords Dance under Scizor's belt, Gyarados will think twice before switching in (especially offensive ones), and also dent Talonflame (unboosted Thief can 2HKO). The only things in OU that do resist the Thief/Bullet Punch combo are frail and can be worn down easily.

(Unfortunately knock off is unavailable...)
Only issue with that is Thief makes contact leaving Scizor to suffer from Potential King Shields. It does allow for Scizor to have a move to dent Aegislash but it's not fool proof
 
Only issue with that is Thief makes contact leaving Scizor to suffer from Potential King Shields. It does allow for Scizor to have a move to dent Aegislash but it's not fool proof
But what move of Scizor's DOESNT make contact. Aegislash is a total scizor counter, nuff said. Thief/Knock Off at least keep it from switching in with impunity and if you have at least 2 SDs you can 2HKO even if it kings shields once (and can roost off any damage), but otherwise you are walled. Dark Gem + Thief/Knock off might just become better than Flying Gem + Acrobatics even after pokebank (if the gems are released) since you can potentially OHKO the sword and at the very least remove its item (and 90% of the time its an item Scizor will appreciate like Life Orb or Leftovers).
 
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Dark Gem is not available.

And Scizor should just use an item anyway. Thief is there for a good powered Dark-type attack - not to steal items. Nevermind Knock Off is better for removing enemy items - though atm illegal.
 
But what move of Scizor's DOESNT make contact. Aegislash is a total scizor counter, nuff said. Thief/Knock Off at least keep it from switching in with impunity and if you have at least 2 SDs you can 2HKO even if it kings shields once (and can roost off any damage), but otherwise you are walled. Dark Gem + Thief/Knock off might just become better than Flying Gem + Acrobatics even after pokebank (if the gems are released) since you can potentially OHKO the sword and at the very least remove its item (and 90% of the time its an item Scizor will appreciate like Life Orb or Leftovers).
I know that. Having it does make it good on a switch in. The way I read the post seemed to say Thief could stop Aegslash from being a counter, that's all
 
Dark Gem is not available.

And Scizor should just use an item anyway. Thief is there for a good powered Dark-type attack - not to steal items. Nevermind Knock Off is better for removing enemy items - though atm illegal.
A decent (though somewhat gimmicky) option could be Lum Berry + Thief for WoW ghosts, but without LO you are better off with MegaZor.
 

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