Breeding in Gen 7

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Gen 7 Breeding Guide by Raidx, CloudyNatu and TJ





Introduction
Breeding Pokemon Eggs has been a very important part of Pokemon games since its introduction in Generation 2, and in this guide, we will assist you in breeding Pokemon to the best of your abilities. In Sun and Moon, Pokemon can be bred at the Pokemon Nursery at Paniola Ranch on Akala Island. Numerous breeding mechanics in Sun and Moon were changed from those in Gen VI (see below), and in this guide, you will find all you need to know about those changes and how you can become a breeding expert.


Breeding Mechanics and New Features
Here, we'll have a look at the various breeding mechanics and features in Pokemon Sun and Moon.

Hyper Training
Introduced this generation, Hyper Training is a unique feature that allows you to modify Pokemon as if they had 31 IVs. Prior to Sun and Moon, it was difficult and tedious to breed a Pokemon with a specific Hidden Power as well as with the desired IVs, but with the advent of Hyper Training, it's been made a bit easier. Before Hyper Training can be done, you must be Champion of Alola first. Once you have achieved that, speak to Mr. Hyper at the shopping mall in Hau'Oli City, bring a level 100 Pokemon (a Pokemon must be level 100 for it to be Hyper Trained), and then exchange either a Bottle Cap (1 stat per Bottle Cap) or a Gold Bottle Cap (all stats Hyper Trained at once). Once done, your Pokemon will be as if it was hatched with 31 IVs. Incredibly handy!

IV Checker
The IV checker is now accessed by going to the PC, hovering over the Pokemon whose IVs you want to check, and selecting "Judge". It is received after hatching 20 eggs then talking to the Ace Trainer at the Battle Tree on Poni Island.

Species Determination
When a male and female Pokemon breed, the female determines what species the offspring will be. For example, if a female Bagon and a male Charmander breed together, the offspring will be a Bagon.


Key Changes from Pokemon Omega Ruby / Alpha Sapphire to Pokemon Sun / Moon
  • Both gendered and genderless Pokemon can pass down Poke Balls to their offspring.

  • The Pokemon Nursery does not level up Pokemon anymore (results in a 500 Poke Dollar fee).

  • The IV checker is in the PC instead of speaking to an NPC.

  • There are no longer any O-Powers.

  • Previously, to hatch Eggs faster, you would ride your Bicycle, but that is replaced with Tauros using the Ride Pager. You can hold B to sprint with Tauros.

  • Instead of a loop, there is a fenced-in area below the Nursery where you can ride Tauros in a small circle by moving the circle pad around.

  • The Nursery lady crosses her arms and rests her right hand under her chin when an Egg is found.
Breeding Tips and Tricks

Ditto
Having access to a 5 IV or 6 IV Ditto (a Ditto with 31 IVs in 5 or 6 stats) is strongly encouraged because Ditto can breed with almost any Pokemon, as well as being required to breed genderless Pokemon. This will come into effect more when we learn about breeding perfect Pokemon. A Ditto with these IVs may be obtained here (courtesy of Most ) or by chaining using SOS encounters for some time.

Flame Body and Magma Armor
If a Pokemon with the ability Flame Body or Magma Armor is present in your party, the steps it takes for an Egg to hatch will be halved. An easy Pokemon with Flame Body to catch would be Fletchinder, which can be found on Route 8 on Akala Island.

Hidden Power Checker
The Hidden Power NPC is found at Paniola Ranch inside the Nursery. She gives you the Hidden Power TM and will tell you what type the Hidden Power for each Pokemon will be, which is based on IVs.



Egg Groups
Egg Groups are categories that determine which Pokemon are compatible with one another when breeding. All Pokemon belong in at least one Egg Group, while some belong in two, similar to typings. If two Pokemon are of different genders and share at least one Egg Group (excluding Undiscovered and Ditto), they will be able to breed when placed in the Nursery. There are 15 different Egg Groups:
  • Bug Group: Some examples include Butterfree, Scizor, Flygon, Yanmega, Volcarona, Vivillon, and Golisopod.
  • Dragon Group: Some examples include Charizard, Kingdra, Salamence, Hydreigon, Goodra, and Kommo-o.
  • Fairy Group: Some examples include Clefable, Azumarill, Delcatty, Roserade, Whimsicott, Carbink, and Ribombee.
  • Field Group: Some examples include Raticate (both formes), Typhlosion, Manectric, Luxray, Stoutland, Pyroar, and Lycanroc.
  • Ditto Group: Ditto is the sole Pokemon in this Egg Group.
  • Human-Like Group: Some examples include Hitmonlee, Gardevoir, Toxicroak, Electivire, Conkeldurr, and Hawlucha.
  • Grass Group: Some examples include Victreebel, Bellossom, Ludicolo, Tangrowth, Torterra, Ferrothorn, Trevenant, and Comfey.
  • Flying Group: Some examples include Pidgeot, Crobat, Swellow, Staraptor, Sigilyph, Noivern, and Oricorio.
  • Amorphous Group: Some examples include Muk, Magcargo, Swalot, Banette, Rotom, Eelektross, Gourgeist, and Mimikyu.
  • Mineral Group: Some examples include Golem, Steelix, Shedinja, Probopass, Gigalith, Aegislash, and Minior.
  • Monster Group: Some examples include Kangaskhan, Tyranitar, Aggron, Rampardos, Haxorus, Aurorus, and Salazzle.
  • Water 1 Group: Some examples include Poliwrath, Mantine, Gorebyss, Floatzel, Greninja, and Araquanid.
  • Water 2 Group: Some examples include Seaking, Lanturn, Sharpedo, Lumineon, Basculin, Malamar, and Wishiwashi.
  • Water 3 Group: Some examples include Tentacruel, Corsola, Cradily, Drapion, Carracosta, Barbaracle, and Crabominable.
  • Undiscovered Group: Some examples include Mew, Ho-Oh, Deoxys, Mesprit, Zekrom, Yveltal, and Lunala. Pokemon in this Egg Group can't breed at all.
Important Items

Everstone
The Everstone is an immensely important item for breeding, as it allows you to effortlessly pass down the nature of the holder to the offspring. Without it, you will have to breed two Pokemon continuously until the offspring hatches with the nature you want, which can take quite a long time if you're not lucky. The Everstone can be found in Hau'Oli City as a gift from Ilima after battling him. It can also be found on wild Roggenrola, Boldore, Gigalith, Geodude, Graveler, and Golem or bought for 16 BP at the Battle Royal Dome.

Destiny Knot
The Destiny Knot is also a very important item, as it lets you control the IVs to an extent. Basically, what this item does is pass down 5 of the total combined 12 IVs of both parents. This raises the chances greatly for producing offspring with the desired IVs. The Destiny Knot can be bought from the Battle Royal Dome for 48 BP. Alternatively, it can also be obtained via the Pickup ability; however, the odds of finding a Destiny Knot through this method are low and can take hours just to find one.

Incenses
Incenses come in the following forms:
  • Sea Incense: If Marill or Azumarill hold this, they are able to produce an Azurill Egg in the Nursery.

  • Rock Incense: If Sudowoodo holds this, it is able to produce a Bonsly Egg in the Nursery.

  • Luck Incense: If Chansey or Blissey hold this, they are able to produce a Happiny Egg in the Nursery.

  • Wave Incense: If Mantine holds this, it is able to produce a Mantyke Egg in the Nursery.

  • Rose Incense: If Roselia or Roserade hold this, they are able to produce a Budew Egg in the Nursery.

  • Odd Incense: If Mr. Mime holds this, it is able to produce a Mime Jr. Egg in the Nursery.

  • Lax Incense: If Wobbuffet holds this, it is able to produce a Wynaut Egg in the Nursery.

  • Pure Incense: If Chimecho holds this, it is able to produce a Chingling Egg in the Nursery.

  • Full Incense: If Snorlax holds this, it is able to produce a Munchlax Egg in the Nursery.

These Incenses are the only ways to hatch these baby Pokemon from Eggs. Pichu, Cleffa, Igglybuff, Togepi, Tyrogue, Smoochum, Elekid, Magby, and Riolu are baby Pokemon as well but do not require the use of an Incense to be bred. All 9 of the Incenses can be bought from a woman in Konikoni City on Akala Island. Also, some Pokemon can only learn certain moves via their baby stage (e.g. Snorlax can only learn Recycle as a Munchlax, meaning the Full Incense is required for a Snorlax to learn Recycle).

Power Items
These items are an alternative to Destiny Knot. When a parent Pokemon is holding a Power Item, the corresponding stat's IVs will be passed down. For example, if a Charizard has 31 Attack IVs and is holding a Power Bracer, the offspring will have 31 Attack IVs as well. This can be especially helpful in times where you have two 4 x 31 IV parents and it's taking a long time to get the final IV. Giving one parent the Destiny Knot and one a Power Item gives you a 1 / 10 chance of receiving a 5-IV offspring. However, it may have the wrong nature, so from there you may need to replace the old 4-IV parent with the new 5-IV parent and breed it with the Pokemon that you gave the Everstone earlier on with the nature you want.

  • Power Bracer: If a parent Pokemon holds this item, it will always pass down its Attack IVs.

  • Power Anklet: If a parent Pokemon holds this item, it will always pass down its Speed IVs.

  • Power Band: If a parent Pokemon holds this item, it will always pass down its Special Defense IVs.
  • Power Belt: If a parent Pokemon holds this item, it will always pass down its Defense IVs.
  • Power Lens: If a parent Pokemon holds this item, it will always pass down its Special Attack IVs.
  • Power Weight: If a parent Pokemon holds this item, it will always pass down its HP IVs.
Other Items
Shiny Charm: The Shiny Charm raises the base odds of hatching a Shiny Pokemon from 1/4096 to 3/4096 and the odds of hatching a Shiny Pokemon using the Masuda Method from 1/683 to 1/512. The Shiny Charm can be obtained by completing the Alola Pokedex (minus Mythical Pokemon), visiting the Heahea City Game Freak office, and talking to the Game Director.

Oval Charm: The Oval Charm increases the chances of an Egg being found in the Pokemon Nursery. The Oval Charm can be obtained by defeating Morimoto (for the first time) in the Game Freak office in Heahea City. The Oval Charm is a Key Item, so it isn't required for a Pokemon to hold it while breeding.


Breeding Rates
  • If the two parent Pokemon are of the same species (for example, Turtwig and Turtwig) and have different Trainer IDs, the chance of an Egg being found in the Nursery after 256 steps is 70% (increased to 88% with possession of the Oval Charm). The Nursery lady will tell you "They really seem to like hanging out!" if this is the case.
  • If the two parent Pokemon are of the same species and have the same Trainer ID, the chance of an Egg being found in the Nursery after 256 steps is 50% (increased to 80% with possession of the Oval Charm). The Nursery lady will tell you "They seem to get along all right." if this is the case.
  • If the two parent Pokemon are of different species and have different Trainer IDs, the chance of an Egg being found in the Nursery after 256 steps is 50% (increased to 80% with possession of the Oval Charm). The Nursery lady will tell you "They seem to get along all right." if this is the case.
  • If the two parent Pokemon are of different species and have the same Trainer ID, the chance of an egg being found in the Nursery after 256 steps is 20% (increased to 40% with possession of the Oval Charm). The Nursery lady will tell you "They don't seem to like each other very much, though." if this is the case.
  • If the two parent Pokemon are in different Egg Groups, the same gender, or in the Undiscovered Egg Group, they will not be able to produce an Egg whatsoever. The Nursery lady will tell you "They don't seem to like playing together, though." if this is the case.
Probability Checker
Your chances of obtaining specific offspring from two parent Pokemon can be checked using the IV Breeding Probability Calculator by Agnaktor . Using this calculator can give you a good idea of how long it will take to complete a breed.


Breeding Perfect Pokemon
Now that you've got all the information you need to know how to breed, here's how to put what you now know into breeding your desired Pokemon.

To start, catch a Pokemon in the wild or find whatever Pokemon you wish to breed. If the Pokemon has the nature you would like for it, then you are all set. If not, you will need to catch a Pokemon with the desired nature in the wild.

If you have one, we recommend putting a Pokemon with the Synchronize ability and the nature you want the Pokemon you're breeding to have in the front of your party. This is because Synchronize makes it a 50% chance that the wild Pokemon you encounter will have the same nature as the Pokemon with the ability. If the Pokemon you want to breed is unable to be found in the wild, you will have to either hatch Eggs until you get one with the desired nature or obtain one by other means (trade, PokeBank, etc.).

If you have a Ditto, then that would be the ideal parent Pokemon to breed with the Pokemon you're going to breed, as Ditto is able to breed with any Pokemon capable of breeding. However, if needed, catch a different parent Pokemon that shares at least one Egg Group with the Pokemon you are breeding. Catching another Pokemon that is the same species as the Pokemon you're breeding would be ideal, as it raises the chances of Eggs being found in the Nursery.

A Ditto with 4 IVs or more can be obtained in the wild by doing the following. First, acquire a Pokemon with the move Recycle. Munchlax and Trubbish are two Pokemon capable of learning Recycle that can easily be found in-game. Secondly, acquire a Pokemon capable of learning Trick or Switcheroo. Abra and Hypno are two Pokemon capable of learning Trick or Switcheroo that can also easily be found in-game. Give a Leppa Berry to the Pokemon that knows Trick or Switcheroo. You will also need one or more high-leveled Pokemon with False Swipe and a strong damaging move with a lot of PP. Finally, you will need Adrenaline Orbs and extra Leppa Berries to restore PP to your False Swipe user.

Go to Route 10, then go to Hokulani Observatory and head south. Look for a Ditto in the first patch of grass with Munchlax and Hypno. When you encounter Ditto, make sure you switch out your Pokemon for Munchlax so Ditto can transform into it. After, switch out Munchlax for Hypno and use Switcheroo so the Ditto will have Recycle and a Leppa Berry. Then switch into your False Swipe user and use False Swipe on the Ditto until it is at 1 HP. After you've done this, use an Adrenaline Orb.

Finally, faint as many Ditto that are called by the original Ditto, and if Ditto's help does not arrive on any given turn, use an Adrenaline Orb again, as the use will fail, and it will waste a turn. You can also continuously use False Swipe, but this will use up the PP of the move. Once you reach a chain of 30 Ditto, you may catch the incoming 31st Ditto or any Ditto after that to have a much better chance of catching a Ditto with 4 or more perfect (31 in the respective stat) IVs. You can check its IVs by selecting "Judge" in the Ditto's PC summary. Repeat this process in the same manner until you are satisfied with the Ditto you have captured.

You will want the parent Pokemon of the Pokemon you're breeding to have the IVs you would like to breed onto the offspring so you can give it the Destiny Knot, and the IVs will be able to be passed down. If you have a Ditto or another compatible Pokemon with the IVs you need, then you are all set to try breeding for your perfect Pokemon. If not, you will need to chain down the IVs onto the Pokemon you will wind up giving the Destiny Knot to.

Example
I want to breed a Jolly Trapinch that is flawless in all stats except Special Attack, and I have a Trapinch with an IV spread of x / 31 / x / x / 31 / x, a Jolly Ditto with an IV spread of 31 / x / x / x / 31 / 31, and a non-Jolly Ditto with an IV spread of 31 / 31 / 31 / x / x / x.

To begin, I will put my Trapinch in the Nursery with a Destiny Knot and my Jolly Ditto in the Nursery with an Everstone. I will then hatch Eggs until I receive a Trapinch with an IV spread of x / 31 / x / x / 31 / 31 or better.

After hatching a few Eggs, I hatch the Trapinch with the x / 31 / x / x / 31 / 31 IV spread that I wanted. Now, I just need to pass down one (or more) of my other Ditto's perfect IVs. I put the Trapinch I most recently bred in the Nursery with the non-Jolly Ditto.

After some time, I breed a Trapinch with an IV spread of 31 / 31 / x / x / 31 / 31. Since this Trapinch is objectively better than the current parent Trapinch, I will swap out parents in the Nursery and use the new parent. If I breed any Pokemon that are objectively better than the parent I have just put in the Nursery, I will swap them as well.

Once I have more 4-IV parents to work with that have the missing Defense IVs I am looking for, it will only be a matter of time before I breed my 31 / 31 / 31 / x / 31 / 31 Trapinch!



Other Breeding Methods
  • Masuda Method: If you've tried to breed Shiny Pokemon, there's a good chance you've heard of or used the Masuda Method. The Masuda Method is a relatively simple conceptif you breed two Pokemon from different language games, the odds of a Shiny Pokemon hatching from an Egg produced by them is greatly increased from the base odds (1/4096 → 1/683).
  • Poke Balls: When an Egg is produced, there is a 50% chance of the offspring inheriting either parent's Ball if they are the same species. If the parents are of separate species, then the Ball passed down will be that of the female. Ditto's Ball has no effect on the offspring's Ball, so when breeding with Ditto, the offspring will always be in the other parent's Ball. Cherish Balls and Master Balls will never pass down when breeding, however.
  • Egg moves: You may have seen a Pokemon use moves that aren't TMs, HMs, level-up moves, or even Move Tutor moves. Aside from event moves, they are most likely Egg moves. Egg moves are moves that a Pokemon can only learn through breeding. To breed for Egg moves, what you need to do is have a female Pokemon breed with a male Pokemon of the same Egg Group that already has the move you want to pass down to the offspring. When successfully bred, the offspring will know the move the male Pokemon had in its current moveset. For example, for Bagon to learn Dragon Dance, you will need a female Bagon, Shelgon, or Salamence to breed with a male Pokemon in the Dragon Egg Group. If the male (for example, Haxorus) currently knows the move Dragon Dance, when bred with a female Salamence, the resulting Bagon will know Dragon Dance. In the event that both parents combined have more than four Egg moves, there is a priority bracket put in place to determine the order of the moves inherited. The priority of the Egg moves is as follows: Volt Tackle (Pikachu / Raichu + Light Ball), the mother's Egg moves, the father's Egg moves, moves inherited through level-up, and then the baby's default moveset.
  • Hidden Abilities: When an Egg is produced, there is an 80% chance that the non-Hidden ability is passed down, leaving a 20% chance of passing down the other non-Hidden ability should the Pokemon have one. If the Pokemon has its Hidden ability, there is a 60% chance it will be passed down, with a 20% chance of passing down each of the other two abilitiesor a 40% chance if there is just one other non-Hidden ability. This applies for both gendered parents. If a Pokemon doesn't inherit its ability from a parent, it can only be hatched with one of its non-Hidden abilities. Males cannot pass down Hidden abilities when bred with a female, only when bred with Ditto.
  • Alola Formes: In Alola, breeding a normal forme of a Pokemon that was given an Alolan forme is still possible. If either parent Pokemon is the normal forme and is holding an Everstone and the offspring is in the same evolutionary family as the parent(s), the offspring will hatch in its normal forme. For instance, say you have a female Ninetales from Kanto breeding with a male Alolan Ninetales. If the Ninetales from Kanto is holding an Everstone, the resulting Vulpix will be a regular Vulpix instead of Alolan Vulpix. In all other cases, however, the offspring will hatch in its Alolan forme. Pokemon whose evolution is an Alolan forme but have no Alolan forme themselves (Cubone, Pichu, and Exeggcute), will not evolve into their normal forme if bred using this method. They will always evolve into their Alolan forme.
That's just about all you need to know about breeding Pokemon in Sun and Moon. We wish you luck on your breeding endeavors and hope you are able to take some valuable information from this guide and breed your desired Pokemon!
 
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I think there should be a section on how to actually breed good mons, like how themantyke did in his XY guide. right now there's just a bunch of information but nothing about how to use that information.
 

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A few things:
If the two parent Pokemon are of the same species (for example, Turtwig and Turtwig), and have different OTs, the chance of an egg being found in the Nursery after 256 steps is 70% (Increased to 88% with possession of the Oval Charm). The Daycare Lady will tell you “They really seem to like hanging out!” if this is the case.
This isn't actually the care here, nor any of the other times that you've mentioned it. Breeding pokemon with different Trainer ID numbers increases the chance, and OT is not considered by the game. This is relevant for people (such as myself) who use the same OT across multiple games, but have different IDs for each of those saves.

  • Having access to a 5 IV or 6 IV Ditto is recommended because Ditto can breed with almost any Pokemon, as well as being required to breed genderless Pokemon.
It may not be a bad idea to link to Most's long running Ditto Giveaway here, so that people know how to get access to Dittos such as this.


Something else that you haven't touched on is a few of the newer methods of breeding that came about this generation.
The Egg Swap Shiny method was incredibly popular at the start of the generation, and is outlined here: https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/5jvlee/sunmoon_how_to_quickly_breed_shiny_pokemon_and/
While you don't need to go into this much detail with it (the first infographic linked in it has easily enough information), it is a popular breeding method and is thus probably worth mentioning here. Something to note is that it requires at least one of Shiny Charm or Masuda Method to do.
Another thing is Egg RNG, specifically the 127 Magikarp method. It's tedious to get set up, but once done it allows a breeder to predict every single attribute of every single egg that they will breed in the future. This allows breeders to skip over and not bother hatching eggs that they don't want, and know exactly how long a particular breed is going to take. There's more info on that here (see Homebrewless method), and it could definitely be worth looking in to.

Also, here's a higher resolution version of the image that you use at the top of your article.
 

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While this is a bit outside of the scope of the article, I think mentioning Hyper Training is a good idea. Hyper Training makes breeding for Hidden Power quite a bit easier (It means that if you don't get a 30 where you want but its still even, you can still salvage the Pokemon with some grinding).Most importantly however, this makes breeding Pokemon that need incenses reasonable. This is actually important, since this is the only way for Gluttony Snorlax to get Recycle (via Munchlax), which is a very important move for it! It's also how Wobbuffet gets Encore.
 

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While this is a bit outside of the scope of the article, I think mentioning Hyper Training is a good idea. Hyper Training makes breeding for Hidden Power quite a bit easier (It means that if you don't get a 30 where you want but its still even, you can still salvage the Pokemon with some grinding).Most importantly however, this makes breeding Pokemon that need incenses reasonable. This is actually important, since this is the only way for Gluttony Snorlax to get Recycle (via Munchlax), which is a very important move for it! It's also how Wobbuffet gets Encore.
Sure, will do, thanks!

A few things:

This isn't actually the care here, nor any of the other times that you've mentioned it. Breeding pokemon with different Trainer ID numbers increases the chance, and OT is not considered by the game. This is relevant for people (such as myself) who use the same OT across multiple games, but have different IDs for each of those saves.
So for clarification, the percentages and functionality is correct, but OT just needs to be changed to Trainer ID? Appreciate the image as well, thank you!

I think there should be a section on how to actually breed good mons, like how themantyke did in his XY guide. right now there's just a bunch of information but nothing about how to use that information.
After rethinking, we're going to reconstruct a section for putting the information given in the earlier parts of the article into use in breeding perfect/other desired Pokemon, which should solve this issue.

Appreciate the feedback, thanks for your time.
 
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Not tagged for QC, but a discussion on egg moves would be good (i.e. priority when passing them down, ability to relearn them, fact that both M/F can pass them down), as well as a mention of the Hidden Power type checker (girl in the ranch).

On the minor side, I always liked the fact that now you can send eggs directly to your PC from the nursery lady when your party is full, which is new to SM from ORAS. Saves some time when breeding lots of eggs (such as with that swap method lego mentioned). If you prefer to get your own Dittos, chain battling them to get 4IVs + different natures is a viable option as well.

Thanks for taking the time to write the guide! I know a lot of people will appreciate it. :)
 

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Coming back to this, I thought of a little more stuff.
There exists a breeding probability calculator (http://mkwrs.com/destiny_knot/) for XY, and the probabilities are the same for SM so it's still relevant. It could be cool to mention it so that people can get an idea of how long it'll take for them to complete a breed.

You also haven't mentioned the use of Power Items. If a parent holds a Power Item during breeding, it guarantees that the IV for the stat that the Power Item corresponds to will be passed down from that parent. While usually inferior to using the Destiny Knot, I know that some people like TheMantyke use it for breeding better Hidden Power parents, for example, as you can guarantee that a particular 30 is passed down and use that to get appropriate parents for Destiny Knot breeding;
 

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The EV enhancing items (Power Weight, Power Bracer, Power Belt, Power Lens, Power Band and Power Anklet) deserve a mention under useful items, as they let the holder pass down the respective IV to the offspring 100% of the time. Sure, it's more worth holding an Everstone and Destiny Knot when you have good parents already, but when breeding for the parents you ultimately want to use, the Power items can be useful for chaining down a specific IV from other species (specifically 30's for Hidden Power and relevant 0's).

edit: sorry, didn't see it already mentioned in the post above
 

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Shiny Charm - The Shiny Charm raises the base odds of hatching a shiny Pokemon from 1/4096 to 1/1365.3
I'd personally write this as 3/4096, as (at least to me) it makes it easier to understand (as the numbers both have the same denominator) and also because that way both numbers are rational, instead of there being a rounded repeat.

Fairy Group: Pokemon in this group are petite and considered very cute.
With this (and all the other Egg Group descriptions) I'd probably add that they are typically matching the description, as I'm not sure that every mon in every egg group fits it perfectly. To me, "Fairy Group: Pokemon in this group are typically petite and considered very cute." works better than what you've got at the moment, and same goes for the other egg groups too.

Other than that though, looks good to me! Nice job guys n_n
 
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A couple of corrections.
Incenses
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These incenses are the only ways to hatch these baby Pokemon from eggs. Riolu is the only baby Pokemon that does not require the use of an incense to breed it.
There are many more baby Pokemon; Pichu, Cleffa, Igglybuff, Togepi, Tyrogue, Smoochum, Elekid, and Magby.
Hidden Abilities: When an egg is produced, there is an 80% chance of the offspring inheriting the female’s ability, regardless of whether it is a hidden ability or not.
It is only a 60% chance of inheriting a hidden ability, this link explains the odds and includes another link to the actual calculation used.


And a suggestion: Include something about the priority of egg moves, I don't remember the specifics off the top of my head, but it's an interesting mechanic and can cause problems if you have >4 egg moves between the parents (including a rare situation where an egg move both parents know doesn't get passed down).
 

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I'd personally write this as 3/4096, as (at least to me) it makes it easier to understand (as the numbers both have the same denominator) and also because that way both numbers are rational, instead of there being a rounded repeat.


With this (and all the other Egg Group descriptions) I'd probably add that they are typically matching the description, as I'm not sure that every mon in every egg group fits it perfectly. To me, "Fairy Group: Pokemon in this group are typically petite and considered very cute." works better than what you've got at the moment, and same goes for the other egg groups too.

Other than that though, looks good to me! Nice job guys n_n
Sure, will do. Thanks!

There are many more baby Pokemon; Pichu, Cleffa, Igglybuff, Togepi, Tyrogue, Smoochum, Elekid, and Magby.
Are you suggesting that they be mentioned all together? The sentence about Riolu is just stating that it is the only baby Pokemon that doesn't require the use of an incense to breed, the others are mentioned with their respective incenses.
 

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Are you suggesting that they be mentioned all together? The sentence about Riolu is just stating that it is the only baby Pokemon that doesn't require the use of an incense to breed, the others are mentioned with their respective incenses.
What defines a baby Pokemon is that they're born into the undiscovered egg group. For example, a first stage Pokemon like Charmander is born straight into the egg groups Monster+Dragon, so it's not classified as a baby Pokemon. While Pokemon like Riolu, Togepi and Igglybuff are born into the undiscovered, so they're classified as Baby Pokemon, even if they don't require an incense.

Egg Groups
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  • Ditto Group: Just Ditto is in this egg group, and it is able to breed with any Pokemon as long as they are not in the Undiscovered group.
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Might be worth mentioning that Ditto can't breed with other Dittos. so a Better way to phrase it would be "Just Ditto is in this egg group, and it is able to breed with any Pokemon as long as they are not in the Ditto or Undiscovered groups."
 

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What defines a baby Pokemon is that they're born into the undiscovered egg group. For example, a first stage Pokemon like Charmander is born straight into the egg groups Monster+Dragon, so it's not classified as a baby Pokemon. While Pokemon like Riolu, Togepi and Igglybuff are born into the undiscovered, so they're classified as Baby Pokemon, even if they don't require an incense.
Ah my bad, will change.

Might be worth mentioning that Ditto can't breed with other Dittos. so a Better way to phrase it would be "Just Ditto is in this egg group, and it is able to breed with any Pokemon as long as they are not in the Ditto or Undiscovered groups."
Sure thing. Thanks for the advice!
 

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Not tagged for QC, but a discussion on egg moves would be good (i.e. priority when passing them down, ability to relearn them, fact that both M/F can pass them down), as well as a mention of the Hidden Power type checker (girl in the ranch).

On the minor side, I always liked the fact that now you can send eggs directly to your PC from the nursery lady when your party is full, which is new to SM from ORAS. Saves some time when breeding lots of eggs (such as with that swap method lego mentioned). If you prefer to get your own Dittos, chain battling them to get 4IVs + different natures is a viable option as well.

Thanks for taking the time to write the guide! I know a lot of people will appreciate it. :)
I dont exactly understand what you mean by "egg move priority", i never knew it was a thing lol
 

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I dont exactly understand what you mean by "egg move priority", i never knew it was a thing lol
Oh, no problem haha. When breeding, the moves have a certain ranking for being passed down (I don't remember the specifics off the top of my head, so the following is just made up). For example, the egg moves known by the father will be passed down first, followed by any Level up moves known by both parents, then any egg moves known by the mother, and finally the standard level 1 moves (Growl and the like). The game will go down the list until all 4 move slots are filled up. Let's say you had a Male with 2 egg moves, and 2 level up moves. The Female has 2 different egg moves and the same 2 level up moves. Technically the baby could inherit all 6 moves, but which 4 will be inherited? That's the priority Dark Ray and I were referring to.

While I'm here ;)...
guide said:
To breed for egg moves, what you need to do is have a female Pokemon breed with a male Pokemon of the same egg group already have the move you want to pass down to the offspring. When successfully bred, the offspring will know the move the male Pokemon had in its current moveset.
You're right, the Pokemon will be the same species as the Female. However, I read this as the Male has to have the egg moves. Technically females can pass down egg moves as well.

And if I could offer up 1 other suggestion, there are a few instances of 4IV/5IV/6IV (for instance, "Having access to a 5IV or 6IV Ditto" near the top) but that terminology isn't really defined. For someone who's just starting out with breeding, they might not have come across that slang before :) You might not have to change all of them, but perhaps you could add something like "having access to a 5IV or 6IV Ditto (a Ditto with 31 IVs in 5 or 6 stats)" would clear it up for the rest of the guide. I think your Ditto discussion is the first place it happens, but that clarification would go wherever the first time is.
 

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Oh, no problem haha. When breeding, the moves have a certain ranking for being passed down (I don't remember the specifics off the top of my head, so the following is just made up). For example, the egg moves known by the father will be passed down first, followed by any Level up moves known by both parents, then any egg moves known by the mother, and finally the standard level 1 moves (Growl and the like). The game will go down the list until all 4 move slots are filled up. Let's say you had a Male with 2 egg moves, and 2 level up moves. The Female has 2 different egg moves and the same 2 level up moves. Technically the baby could inherit all 6 moves, but which 4 will be inherited? That's the priority Dark Ray and I were referring to.
Great, thanks for clarification. Adding now.

While I'm here ;)...

You're right, the Pokemon will be the same species as the Female. However, I read this as the Male has to have the egg moves. Technically females can pass down egg moves as well.

And if I could offer up 1 other suggestion, there are a few instances of 4IV/5IV/6IV (for instance, "Having access to a 5IV or 6IV Ditto" near the top) but that terminology isn't really defined. For someone who's just starting out with breeding, they might not have come across that slang before :) You might not have to change all of them, but perhaps you could add something like "having access to a 5IV or 6IV Ditto (a Ditto with 31 IVs in 5 or 6 stats)" would clear it up for the rest of the guide. I think your Ditto discussion is the first place it happens, but that clarification would go wherever the first time is.
Sure thing. Thanks for the suggestions!
 

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Thanks guys! After an initial pass, what immediately stuck out were the Hidden Ability odds (which remained the same from before, but differ from Dark Ray's link) and the mention of TM/HMs in the breeding priority list. TMs aren't passed down anymore, and HMs don't exist in SM.

Also, I believe it's 20 eggs, re:
It [IV checker] is received after hatching 21 eggs...

As for some further suggestions (as always, edit as you see fit):
Pokemon Daycare does not level-up Pokemon in the daycare center anymore, (results in a $500 fee)
I'd edit this to Nursery rather than Daycare, to keep the terminology the same. Might be more GP rather than QC, but meh.

Super Training is no longer available.
True, but you could probably take that out. Super Training gave you EVs, which aren't strictly related to breeding.

Gender Determination
Given the sentence under that, you could change this to "Species Determination" instead. This would also be a good place to include any breeding quirks in the species (such as Phione from Manaphy, Illumise/Volbeat, Nidoran M/F) if you'd like.

You could merge the "other breeding methods" section with the "breeding mechanics" section since they are just that, discussions on the various mechanics. With that, you could move the IV checker down to the "tips and tricks" section to be with the HP checker.

For the egg groups section, you could add in a sentence saying what those are, since they're never really introduced. From reading it I wouldn't gather that those groups are what determine which Pokemon can breed with each other.

Finally, with regards to Pokeball inheritance, it might be helpful to note that Nidoran M/F and Volbeat/Illumise are restricted on which ball they pass down since they are different Pokedex numbers (i.e. only the female passes it on). Source


Technically a suggestion, but since it's a little more important I left it out of the hide tags: I don't think there's an in-game/official description of the egg groups (though please correct me if I'm wrong!), but those descriptions are almost verbatim with what's on Bulbapedia. Instead, maybe you guys could compile a list of mons in those groups instead (just picking 1 to list from an evolution line would be good)? Example: http://www.smogon.com/ingame/guides/breeding_guide_part2#breeding_compatibility
 

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Thanks guys! After an initial pass, what immediately stuck out were the Hidden Ability odds (which remained the same from before, but differ from Dark Ray's link) and the mention of TM/HMs in the breeding priority list. TMs aren't passed down anymore, and HMs don't exist in SM.

Also, I believe it's 20 eggs, re:



As for some further suggestions (as always, edit as you see fit):
I'd edit this to Nursery rather than Daycare, to keep the terminology the same. Might be more GP rather than QC, but meh.


True, but you could probably take that out. Super Training gave you EVs, which aren't strictly related to breeding.


Given the sentence under that, you could change this to "Species Determination" instead. This would also be a good place to include any breeding quirks in the species (such as Phione from Manaphy, Illumise/Volbeat, Nidoran M/F) if you'd like.

You could merge the "other breeding methods" section with the "breeding mechanics" section since they are just that, discussions on the various mechanics. With that, you could move the IV checker down to the "tips and tricks" section to be with the HP checker.

For the egg groups section, you could add in a sentence saying what those are, since they're never really introduced. From reading it I wouldn't gather that those groups are what determine which Pokemon can breed with each other.

Finally, with regards to Pokeball inheritance, it might be helpful to note that Nidoran M/F and Volbeat/Illumise are restricted on which ball they pass down since they are different Pokedex numbers (i.e. only the female passes it on). Source


Technically a suggestion, but since it's a little more important I left it out of the hide tags: I don't think there's an in-game/official description of the egg groups (though please correct me if I'm wrong!), but those descriptions are almost verbatim with what's on Bulbapedia. Instead, maybe you guys could compile a list of mons in those groups instead (just picking 1 to list from an evolution line would be good)? Example: http://www.smogon.com/ingame/guides/breeding_guide_part2#breeding_compatibility
Will make more changes also according to bulbapedia, the iv checker is obtained after hatching 21 eggs instead of 20.
 
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Will make more changes also according to bulbapedia, the iv checker is obtained after hatching 21 eggs instead of 20.
re: eggs for IV checker, I believe it is 20 too, Bulbapedia does say 21 but I think that's an error.
 

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