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Ubers Arceus-Dragon
- Thread starter Drew
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Add Mega Salamence to the overview first bullet. This mon needs more shitting on in the overview because it SUCKS - the support set is facing heavy competition with Arceus-Water/Ground, and for a fat dragon it also competes with Giratina-A and Zygarde-C. The SD set is also outclassed by other SD Arceus (Normal/Ghost/Ground) so it effectively has no real niche to fill outside of reliable recovery as a fat Dragon-type, something Giratina/Zygarde don't have.
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* Sadly, Arceus-Water is usually chosen over Arceus-Dragon due to it stacking Fairy- and Ice-type weaknesses with very common Dragon- and Dark-type Pokemon, such as Mega Salamence, Yveltal, and Zygarde-C.
Clarify this is in a support role and that the last portion refers to your own mence/yveltal/zygarde as it read a little confusing at first. or maybe im stupid.
QC 2/3
Clarify this is in a support role and that the last portion refers to your own mence/yveltal/zygarde as it read a little confusing at first. or maybe im stupid.
QC 2/3
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[OVERVIEW]
* Arceus-Dragon has the ability to check some of the biggest threats in Ubers, (comma) such as Primal Groudon and Mega Salamence.
* It also has an excellent support movepool, (comma) consisting of Defog, Toxic, Will-O-Wisp, and Recover.
* Despite primarily utilizing a similar set to Arceus-Water, its Dragon-type Judgement lets it fight back against Primal Groudon, (comma) and Mega Salamence with only one moveslot.
* It can justifiably be run over Arceus-Water in many situations as well, as it is able to run 4 important moves without having to give up coverage, a STAB move, or Defog.
* Sadly However, Arceus-Water is usually chosen over Arceus-Dragon in a support role due to it the latter stacking Fairy- and Ice-type weaknesses with very common Dragon- and Dark-type Pokemon, such as Mega Salamence, Yveltal, and Zygarde-C, all Pokemon that commonly are on teams that appreciate support from an Arceus forme.
* Arceus-Ground, (comma) as well as and other bulky Dragon-types such as Giratina-O and Zygarde-C also give Arceus-Dragon competition for a team slot.
* The Swords Dance set also faces almost equal competition from other Swords Dance Arceus formes, like including Arceus, Arceus-Ghost, and Arceus-Ground.
* It also is incredibly weak to Fairy-types, primarily Klefki and Xerneas, as it can only damage them with Toxic, and Klefki is immune to Toxic, while Xerneas can set up on Arceus-Dragon it.
* Steel-types can freely switch into Arceus-Dragon and punish it by using it as set(space)up, status, or entry hazard fodder.
* Finally, it suffers from having poor defensive synergy with most of the Pokemon it prefers relies on to check offensive Primal Groudon, such as Zygarde-C and Mega Salamence.
[SET]
name: Support
move 1: Judgement
move 2: Defog
move 3: Recover
move 4: Toxic
item: Draco Plate
ability: Multitype
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 160 Def / 96 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
* Judgement is Arceus-Dragon's best STAB move, as it hits all Pokemon in the tier bar Fairy- and Steel-types for neutral or super-(hyphen)effective damage.
* Defog helps Arceus-Dragon clear hazards for its teammates.
* Recover lets Arceus-Dragon heal itself reliably and potentially stall.
* Toxic lets Arceus-Dragon poison bulkier Pokemon and essentially Recover stall until they faint stall them out.
* Will-O-Wisp can be utilized instead of Toxic to cripple physical attackers, but it doesn't do enough damage to really warrant using it.
* Fire Blast could potentially help Arceus-Dragon break through Steel-types, but it eliminates some of Arceus-Dragon's utility.
Set Details
========
* The Draco Plate converts Arceus to its Dragon-type forme and converts Judgement into a Dragon-type move to hit Primal Groudon and Mega Salamence.
* 96 Speed EVs and a Timid nature allow Arceus-Dragon to outspeed Timid Yveltal and Palkia.
* The rest of the EVs are put into HP and Defense to make Arceus-Dragon even bulkier.
Usage Tips
========
* Always remember to beware of Fairy-type Pokemon, especially Klefki and Xerneas, as the former is immune to Toxic and can set up Spikes, and the third latter can set up on Arceus-Dragon and sweep an entire team.
* Be sure to conserve Arceus-Dragon's HP if if your opponent has anything that is checked by Arceus-Dragon it, such as Primal Groudon or Mega Salamence, etc.
* Using Recover or Toxic on a predicted switch is usually a safe option to either recover lost HP or cripple opposing walls and tanks.
* Baiting in Fairy-types and aggressively double switching out into a Fairy-type check can give you a fair amount of momentum, and if your Fairy-type check is a set(space)up sweeper, (comma) such as Primal Groudon or Mega Lucario, you can even sweep.
* Remember to use Recover often to keep your Arceus-Dragon's health topped off, (comma) and help you more easily check foes.
*Arceus-Dragon can switch into more defensive variants of Primal Groudon and Ho-Oh to help it easily clear hazards with Defog.
Team Options
========
* Arceus-Dragon is best used over Arceus-Water when the ability to hit Mega Salamence, Ho-Oh, and Groudon with one slot Pokemon is appreciated without stacking multiple weaknesses with teammates. The semblance of an offensive presence gained from thhis also lets it fit slightly better on bulky offensive offense teams.
* A Fairy-type check, check to Fairy-types such as Primal Groudon, Magearna, Mega Lucario, Excadrill, or Ho-Oh is necessary, as Arceus-Dragon can do next to nothing to beat them.
* Although it does exceptionally well against more defensive Primal Groudon sets, offensive ones can give Arceus-Dragon trouble, making Lugia and Landorus-T good partners.
* Mega Salamence, Zygarde-C, and Rayquaza, although stacking weaknesses, can also do relatively well against Primal Groudon, and the former can set up and break through Fairy-types in certain situations.
* Checks to to common Steel-types, such as Primal Groudon and Mega Lucario, (comma) can be useful to Arceus-Dragon.
[SET]
name: Swords Dance
move 1: Swords Dance
move 2: Outrage
move 3: Earthquake
move 4: Iron Tail / Extreme Speed
item: Dragonium Z
ability: Multitype
nature: Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
* Swords Dance lets Arceus-Dragon boost its Attack to a level where Arceus-Dragon may at which it can sweep.
* Outrage is an excellent STAB Dragon-type move, and its great power can be very useful.
* Earthquake is mostly used to deal with Steel-types, although but it does well against a few threats in particular, (comma) such as Primal Groudon and Alolan Muk.
* Iron Tail 2HKOes most Fairy-types when it Arceus-Dragon is at +2, (comma) and can hit them hard on a predicted switch in.
* Extreme Speed can be used as an alternative to Iron Tail to give Arceus-Dragon extra utility and give its team a good priority user.
Set Details
========
* 252 Speed and a Jolly nature help maximize Arceus-Dragon's Speed, and by consequence:, (colon) (comma) its sweeping potential.
* 252 EVs put into Attack help Arceus-Dragon eliminate as many threats as possible, (comma) and even potentially break through bulky threats.
* Dragonium Z lets Arceus-Dragon use Devestating Drake to hit extra hard when necessary.
Usage Tips
========
* Swords Dance Arceus-Dragon should be conserved for late-(hyphen)game because of its relatively good sweeping potential and unexpected nature.
* Be very careful when using Outrage, as if your opponent has any Fairy- or Steel-types, or really any bulky Pokmon in general Fairy-types, Steel-types, or Pokemon that can take it well, they can set up for a sweep, put up hazards, or just plain simply knock Arceus-Dragon out.
* However, this is not to say you should underestimate the power of a +2 252 Attack STAB base 120 Dragon-type move from an Arceus-Dragon Outrage's power should not be underestimated.
* When predicting a Fairy-type to switch in, using Iron Tail can severely cripple them, (comma) and open up a safer path to sweep.
* Similarly, using Eathquake on a predicted Steel-type switch-(hyphen)in, can also open a better path for a sweep can make it easier to sweep.
* Beware of status conditions, as paralysis can cripples Arceus-Dragon's Speed, a burn can cripple halves its Attack, poison can keeps it from staying in long, and sleep and a freeze falling asleep or getting frozen can keep Arceus-Dragon from doing anything at all.
* Always try to maintain entry hazards on your opponent's side, as they help break Multiscale and Shadow Shield, (comma) as well as help generally weaken threats in general.
* Try saving Devestating Drake to take for taking down bigger walls such as Lugia and Arceus-Water.
Team Options
========
* Entry hazard setter, setters such as Ferroseed Ferrothorn, Dialga, Deoxys-Speed, Primal Groudon, and Klefki, (comma) are nearly essential to for helping Arceus-Dragon break through its checks, as well as break Multiscale and Shadow Shield.
* Switch-(hyphen)ins for Fairy-types are also essential, namely Primal-Groudon, Ho-Oh, and Mega Gengar, the latter being the best as because it can trap and eliminate said Fairy-types, although Ho-Oh and Primal Groudon have the benefit of checking Steel-types as well.
* Although a general Fairy-type switch-(hyphen)in is essential, a specific offensive Xerneas check is also necessary.
* Pokemon who that take out Steel-types, such as Mega Lucario and Primal Groudon, (comma) can assist Arceus-Dragon by wearing down its checks.
[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
* Stone Edge can be used on a Swords Dance set to hit Ho-Oh, but this coverage it doesn't hit many other threats.
* Iron Head and Poison Jab are decent alternatives to Iron Tail to help with accuracy, however but their power is much more limited.
* Dragon Claw can be used as a weaker alternative to Outrage on the Swords Dance set to keep Arceus-Dragon from being locked in.
Checks and Counters
===================
**Fairy-types**: Arceus-Dragon can do next to nothing to most Fairy-types,; (comma) (semicolon) and those immune to Toxic, (comma) such as like Klefki, (comma) and set(space)up sweepers like Xerneas are especially troublesome.
**Steel-types**: Steel-types resist Judgement and are immune to Toxic, making them extremely troublesome difficult to deal with. Mega Scizor, Ferrothorn, Celesteela, and Skarmory in particular can all be quite troublesome.
**Bulky Sweepers**: Although Arceus-Dragon can Toxic hit them with Toxic, many sweepers, (comma) such as Arceus, (comma) Xerneas, and even Rock Polish Primal Groudon can all use Arceus-Dragon as set(space)up bait and return to sweep.
**Cloyster**: Cloyster can set up hazards on Arceus-Dragon, while Arceus-Dragon cannot safely Defog in fear of Icicle Spear. However, Cloyster cannot safely switch in in due to fear of Judgement or Toxic breaking its Focus Sash.
**Revenge Killers**: Choice Scarf Zekrom, Kyurem-White, Mewtwo, Darkrai, and Deoxys-A can all revenge kill Arceus-Dragon easily, though they can't safely switch in in fear because of the risk of a Toxic or a Judgement.
**Primal Kyogre**: Primal Kyogre can use Arceus-Dragon as set(space)up fodder and deal heavy damage with Ice Beam, although one not carrying Rest can be dealt with taken care of with Toxic to an extent.
* Arceus-Dragon has the ability to check some of the biggest threats in Ubers, (comma) such as Primal Groudon and Mega Salamence.
* It also has an excellent support movepool, (comma) consisting of Defog, Toxic, Will-O-Wisp, and Recover.
* Despite primarily utilizing a similar set to Arceus-Water, its Dragon-type Judgement lets it fight back against Primal Groudon, (comma) and Mega Salamence with only one moveslot.
* It can justifiably be run over Arceus-Water in many situations as well, as it is able to run 4 important moves without having to give up coverage, a STAB move, or Defog.
* Sadly However, Arceus-Water is usually chosen over Arceus-Dragon in a support role due to it the latter stacking Fairy- and Ice-type weaknesses with very common Dragon- and Dark-type Pokemon, such as Mega Salamence, Yveltal, and Zygarde-C, all Pokemon that commonly are on teams that appreciate support from an Arceus forme.
* Arceus-Ground, (comma) as well as and other bulky Dragon-types such as Giratina-O and Zygarde-C also give Arceus-Dragon competition for a team slot.
* The Swords Dance set also faces almost equal competition from other Swords Dance Arceus formes, like including Arceus, Arceus-Ghost, and Arceus-Ground.
* It also is incredibly weak to Fairy-types, primarily Klefki and Xerneas, as it can only damage them with Toxic, and Klefki is immune to Toxic, while Xerneas can set up on Arceus-Dragon it.
* Steel-types can freely switch into Arceus-Dragon and punish it by using it as set(space)up, status, or entry hazard fodder.
* Finally, it suffers from having poor defensive synergy with most of the Pokemon it prefers relies on to check offensive Primal Groudon, such as Zygarde-C and Mega Salamence.
[SET]
name: Support
move 1: Judgement
move 2: Defog
move 3: Recover
move 4: Toxic
item: Draco Plate
ability: Multitype
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 160 Def / 96 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
* Judgement is Arceus-Dragon's best STAB move, as it hits all Pokemon in the tier bar Fairy- and Steel-types for neutral or super-(hyphen)effective damage.
* Defog helps Arceus-Dragon clear hazards for its teammates.
* Recover lets Arceus-Dragon heal itself reliably and potentially stall.
* Toxic lets Arceus-Dragon poison bulkier Pokemon and essentially Recover stall until they faint stall them out.
* Will-O-Wisp can be utilized instead of Toxic to cripple physical attackers, but it doesn't do enough damage to really warrant using it.
* Fire Blast could potentially help Arceus-Dragon break through Steel-types, but it eliminates some of Arceus-Dragon's utility.
Set Details
========
* The Draco Plate converts Arceus to its Dragon-type forme and converts Judgement into a Dragon-type move to hit Primal Groudon and Mega Salamence.
* 96 Speed EVs and a Timid nature allow Arceus-Dragon to outspeed Timid Yveltal and Palkia.
* The rest of the EVs are put into HP and Defense to make Arceus-Dragon even bulkier.
Usage Tips
========
* Always remember to beware of Fairy-type Pokemon, especially Klefki and Xerneas, as the former is immune to Toxic and can set up Spikes, and the third latter can set up on Arceus-Dragon and sweep an entire team.
* Be sure to conserve Arceus-Dragon's HP if if your opponent has anything that is checked by Arceus-Dragon it, such as Primal Groudon or Mega Salamence, etc.
* Using Recover or Toxic on a predicted switch is usually a safe option to either recover lost HP or cripple opposing walls and tanks.
* Baiting in Fairy-types and aggressively double switching out into a Fairy-type check can give you a fair amount of momentum, and if your Fairy-type check is a set(space)up sweeper, (comma) such as Primal Groudon or Mega Lucario, you can even sweep.
* Remember to use Recover often to keep your Arceus-Dragon's health topped off, (comma) and help you more easily check foes.
*Arceus-Dragon can switch into more defensive variants of Primal Groudon and Ho-Oh to help it easily clear hazards with Defog.
Team Options
========
* Arceus-Dragon is best used over Arceus-Water when the ability to hit Mega Salamence, Ho-Oh, and Groudon with one slot Pokemon is appreciated without stacking multiple weaknesses with teammates. The semblance of an offensive presence gained from thhis also lets it fit slightly better on bulky offensive offense teams.
* A Fairy-type check, check to Fairy-types such as Primal Groudon, Magearna, Mega Lucario, Excadrill, or Ho-Oh is necessary, as Arceus-Dragon can do next to nothing to beat them.
* Although it does exceptionally well against more defensive Primal Groudon sets, offensive ones can give Arceus-Dragon trouble, making Lugia and Landorus-T good partners.
* Mega Salamence, Zygarde-C, and Rayquaza, although stacking weaknesses, can also do relatively well against Primal Groudon, and the former can set up and break through Fairy-types in certain situations.
* Checks to to common Steel-types, such as Primal Groudon and Mega Lucario, (comma) can be useful to Arceus-Dragon.
[SET]
name: Swords Dance
move 1: Swords Dance
move 2: Outrage
move 3: Earthquake
move 4: Iron Tail / Extreme Speed
item: Dragonium Z
ability: Multitype
nature: Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
* Swords Dance lets Arceus-Dragon boost its Attack to a level where Arceus-Dragon may at which it can sweep.
* Outrage is an excellent STAB Dragon-type move, and its great power can be very useful.
* Earthquake is mostly used to deal with Steel-types, although but it does well against a few threats in particular, (comma) such as Primal Groudon and Alolan Muk.
* Iron Tail 2HKOes most Fairy-types when it Arceus-Dragon is at +2, (comma) and can hit them hard on a predicted switch in.
* Extreme Speed can be used as an alternative to Iron Tail to give Arceus-Dragon extra utility and give its team a good priority user.
Set Details
========
* 252 Speed and a Jolly nature help maximize Arceus-Dragon's Speed, and by consequence:, (colon) (comma) its sweeping potential.
* 252 EVs put into Attack help Arceus-Dragon eliminate as many threats as possible, (comma) and even potentially break through bulky threats.
* Dragonium Z lets Arceus-Dragon use Devestating Drake to hit extra hard when necessary.
Usage Tips
========
* Swords Dance Arceus-Dragon should be conserved for late-(hyphen)game because of its relatively good sweeping potential and unexpected nature.
* Be very careful when using Outrage, as if your opponent has any Fairy- or Steel-types, or really any bulky Pokmon in general Fairy-types, Steel-types, or Pokemon that can take it well, they can set up for a sweep, put up hazards, or just plain simply knock Arceus-Dragon out.
* However, this is not to say you should underestimate the power of a +2 252 Attack STAB base 120 Dragon-type move from an Arceus-Dragon Outrage's power should not be underestimated.
* When predicting a Fairy-type to switch in, using Iron Tail can severely cripple them, (comma) and open up a safer path to sweep.
* Similarly, using Eathquake on a predicted Steel-type switch-(hyphen)in, can also open a better path for a sweep can make it easier to sweep.
* Beware of status conditions, as paralysis can cripples Arceus-Dragon's Speed, a burn can cripple halves its Attack, poison can keeps it from staying in long, and sleep and a freeze falling asleep or getting frozen can keep Arceus-Dragon from doing anything at all.
* Always try to maintain entry hazards on your opponent's side, as they help break Multiscale and Shadow Shield, (comma) as well as help generally weaken threats in general.
* Try saving Devestating Drake to take for taking down bigger walls such as Lugia and Arceus-Water.
Team Options
========
* Entry hazard setter, setters such as Ferroseed Ferrothorn, Dialga, Deoxys-Speed, Primal Groudon, and Klefki, (comma) are nearly essential to for helping Arceus-Dragon break through its checks, as well as break Multiscale and Shadow Shield.
* Switch-(hyphen)ins for Fairy-types are also essential, namely Primal-Groudon, Ho-Oh, and Mega Gengar, the latter being the best as because it can trap and eliminate said Fairy-types, although Ho-Oh and Primal Groudon have the benefit of checking Steel-types as well.
* Although a general Fairy-type switch-(hyphen)in is essential, a specific offensive Xerneas check is also necessary.
* Pokemon who that take out Steel-types, such as Mega Lucario and Primal Groudon, (comma) can assist Arceus-Dragon by wearing down its checks.
[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
* Stone Edge can be used on a Swords Dance set to hit Ho-Oh, but this coverage it doesn't hit many other threats.
* Iron Head and Poison Jab are decent alternatives to Iron Tail to help with accuracy, however but their power is much more limited.
* Dragon Claw can be used as a weaker alternative to Outrage on the Swords Dance set to keep Arceus-Dragon from being locked in.
Checks and Counters
===================
**Fairy-types**: Arceus-Dragon can do next to nothing to most Fairy-types,; (comma) (semicolon) and those immune to Toxic, (comma) such as like Klefki, (comma) and set(space)up sweepers like Xerneas are especially troublesome.
**Steel-types**: Steel-types resist Judgement and are immune to Toxic, making them extremely troublesome difficult to deal with. Mega Scizor, Ferrothorn, Celesteela, and Skarmory in particular can all be quite troublesome.
**Bulky Sweepers**: Although Arceus-Dragon can Toxic hit them with Toxic, many sweepers, (comma) such as Arceus, (comma) Xerneas, and even Rock Polish Primal Groudon can all use Arceus-Dragon as set(space)up bait and return to sweep.
**Cloyster**: Cloyster can set up hazards on Arceus-Dragon, while Arceus-Dragon cannot safely Defog in fear of Icicle Spear. However, Cloyster cannot safely switch in in due to fear of Judgement or Toxic breaking its Focus Sash.
**Revenge Killers**: Choice Scarf Zekrom, Kyurem-White, Mewtwo, Darkrai, and Deoxys-A can all revenge kill Arceus-Dragon easily, though they can't safely switch in in fear because of the risk of a Toxic or a Judgement.
**Primal Kyogre**: Primal Kyogre can use Arceus-Dragon as set(space)up fodder and deal heavy damage with Ice Beam, although one not carrying Rest can be dealt with taken care of with Toxic to an extent.
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