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that would make it a "check", not a counter also, as much as I hate fat/tele mons, suspecting slowking doesn't feel like the thing to do, especially now that we lost blissey. i'm just hoping those people calling for it are just ladder frustrated as opposed to being serious.

good f charizard

Pulling garbage ass Ambipom to UU, snatching Mamoswine from UU, keeping Tyranitar from dropping to UU What you got against UU, Joey?

You OU chucklefucks really kept Keldeo this entire gen

Ain't nobody trying to deal with Loom again

| 51 | Mew | 3.231% | | 52 | Keldeo | 3.221% | Y'all mfs really waiting until the end of the goddamn generation to give these back. Pex been in the tier from the start, but niggas still using Keldeo smh

Like? I honestly only suggested MVenu because I'm operating under the assumption that there isn't anything else currently in BL worth testing (sans Drought and Drizzle, I'll get to them in a sec). Maybe Weavile or Thundy-I (the latter much less so), but everything else in BL looks obviously...

I'd love to see a MVenu retest before SwSh drops. Hell, I feel that MVenu has a better chance of being unbanned than Drought or Drizzle

Mimikyu: Unban

my dude can't sweep, can't hit worth a goddamn even after an SD (fucking shadow claw lel), and good luck getting more than one SD off without burning the only good part about it. ain't shit about this thing broke but it's ability, and a free sub only gets Mimi so far in this tier unban this garbage

Mega Altaria: Do Not Ban

It has similar problems that MAlt has in that it's really weak initially, but getting a free turn to set up can count for a lot. Overall, I don't think it's really broken, and it'll get it's chance to survive just like Bish and MBro did

Doesn't a draw still tank your GXE a bit? Not as much as an L does, but enough to make it so that there's some kind of drawback to taking it as an option?

Do I think MAlt is broken? No, I don't. Honestly, if it truly was, it would have been banned a while ago. Hell, it was only a year ago that Hydreigon was considered S tier while MAlt was hanging around in A rank. Would the tier be better off if MAlt weren't here? That's another, more difficult...

Azelf @ Electrium Z Ability: Levitate EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Timid Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Nasty Plot - Dazzling Gleam - Psyshock - Thunder Neither standard nor conventional by any means, but Z-Thunder Azelf definitely has the means to check CroCune. 252 SpA Azelf Gigavolt...

That's the thing, we've tried both already. Neither has much of a place in the tier without the other. That said, I wanna see Firium Ninetails get its opportunity in the tier, it got banned soon after gaining traction

IMO, we don’t need to bother with suspecting Drought, at least not before Drizzle. We already know that MDoom+Drought is what’s broken, and nothing about the tier rn is gonna change that short of a complex ban. Now that Lucha and MPert aren’t UU (thank fucking god), I’d like to see Drizzle get...