Being against this unban is okay, but that should also mean being against the existence of BP complex bans in gens 2-5. Either side is fine but the current double standard is not.
I don't think we should force it into them just like that, specially when not all of them use the same restrictions, they are playing quite different games, what works for one may not work for the other, they should have the right to decide what works better on their corresponding formats and the rules we make now don't need to undo past decisions that took hours to make, they took those decisions because they seemed to be what works for their community and that should be respected, they should only be changed if they want to. I think it is fine to let past gen follow the standards of their times.
I’ve always supported drypass being freed! It’s a very common move that provides an extra layer to the game and makes some mons more viable
however, I’m surprised by the incredible amount of support it’s received thus far, especially from symmetry enthusiasts and rule sticklers such as ABR and Finch
if we can place this drypass clause that dictates “you cannot pass any positive effects such as stat boosts, sub, etc”, we should be able to ban Moves or Abilities on specific mons that are considered too busted. I’m talking we ban Rage Fist and free Annhilape. We ban Electro Shot and free Archaludon. We ban Blood Moon and free Ursukuna-BM. These signature attacks that are clearly too much for the metagame being banned would free up 3 entirely viable mons, for example. Back when Gambito was considered OP; ban Supreme Overlord.
The idea that newer players would be too confused is a bit silly to me bc they’d just see the ban and be ok “shucks, can’t use that!” and move on. Similarly to how people would see, idk, Hatterene now has access to Baton Pass and they try using Calm Mind and Baton Pass together into realizing it’s not allowed!
My contribution to the post is that our tiering system is very silly and built upon this idea of making things simpler for the casual playerbase, but it’s not like some 14 year old kid who just finished playing SV is gonna “Search for Battle” for 10 minutes straight and continuously receive the “Rage Fist is banned” pop-up without understanding what’s going on. This applies to BP + positive fx as well.
I support DryPass being freed + some other complex bans because it allows for more possibilities in the teambuilder. I also think our strict tiering policies are silly
This is mostly true, but I think signature moves/abilities need to be somewhat unique to actually tier independently of their users, while stuff like Shed Tail, Rage Fist and Last Respect just get out of control when anything with half decent stats gets access to them, Blood Moon is just a less practical Boomburst, and Boomburst isn't breaking anyone, even in the gen where anything can change its typing to get STAB on it.
But that's a different discussion anyway, blank move/abilities bans aren't something new. Baton Pass being restricted to only some kind of sets is a big jump from that, I could get behind the idea of allowing Baton Pass without stats boosts, as is quite self-explanatory, is when trying to add all the other possible Baton Pass uses to the restriction like others suggested that it gets messy, as we now have to keep on mind the legality of multiple moves that have nothing in common like Aqua Ring and Magnet Rise. If we were to go forward with this kind of stuff, it has to be in a way that doesn't come with unexpected side effects nor make you wonder why is one fine and not the other, like seeing Blood Moon in the banlist but not Boomburst.