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NOC Animal Mafia ~Game Over~
- Thread starter Metal Sonic
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Edit* who is the next person you'd want flipped.
Gonna quote a couple things related to the derpclear that earlio has been skating on by so i can analyze them; bear with me.
Okay whatever. People have been missing this detail for awhile now, I've been hoping one of you would catch it so I wouldn't have to. But whatever. This is what you missed in mechanical evaluation.
Now with that role. There are only a few things that the mafia would want to protect from.Aubisio role said:
1. The one shot vanillizer
2. A town redirector
Like there are other things that do target: Watcher, Voyeur, messanger, role cop. But all of those roles really hold no value to help the mafia. Like what does the mafia care if they are targeted by a watcher or a messanger/role cop? It doesn't really do anything for them. However it does when you consider that town has the potential to redirect a kill.
Now the particular oddity here, is how aubisio claimed. He first claimed just being an asetic (fsr, his claim actually says commute so how? Though I'm actually about to answer that so w/e) he probably claimed that because to the mafia, that's essentially what he was. Since unless town has a vig (and I guess they think we didn't) then they wouldn't need to protect from a kill, thus commute = ascetic to the mafia. Now, however. Later on clearly aubisio clearly got some clarification that he could also hide from kills. Considering he had no business not claiming that initially, it's best to assume he learned that after the day people claimed. Now of course the whammy here, is there's only one reason where the mafia would want to know if someone can hide from kills. Only if the village can kill a mafia member. Now no one has claimed vig so obviously that is off the table. Leaving the obvious clear for me. I'm the only villager who can possibly cause a village aligned kill, which in turn is why the mafia have a role which can not only hide and stop my redirect, but also possibly stop the kill part of a redirect, should I be lucky enough to have that happen.
Not to mention you know, there's the obvious fact that a mafia redirector has no business ever claiming and if I was actually mafia redirector. I would be publicly known as VT. So seriously. No. Mechanically there's just no way I can be mafia. and I really really don't understand people don't see the obvious link of two possible role investigatives (earlio and apricity) infering that the mafia has some roles which are obviously scum. XX was probably one of them, but that alone doesn't really account for why town's investigative power would be in roles. Which in turn is why it's almost certain a VT claim is actually a mafia role.
The bolded part it the biggest bullshit i have heard in awhile. Mafia dont want to get tracked by a watcher to a kill. Aubisio himself wouldnt have wanted to get spotted out by a rolecop. Hell even a vanilla cop like xnad may not have wanted to get caught by apricity.
"Now the particular oddity here, is how aubisio claimed. He first claimed just being an asetic (fsr, his claim actually says commute so how? Though I'm actually about to answer that so w/e) he probably claimed that because to the mafia, that's essentially what he was. Since unless town has a vig (and I guess they think we didn't) then they wouldn't need to protect from a kill, thus commute = ascetic to the mafia. Now, however. Later on clearly aubisio clearly got some clarification that he could also hide from kills. Considering he had no business not claiming that initially, it's best to assume he learned that after the day people claimed. Now of course the whammy here, is there's only one reason where the mafia would want to know if someone can hide from kills. Only if the village can kill a mafia member. Now no one has claimed vig so obviously that is off the table. Leaving the obvious clear for me. I'm the only villager who can possibly cause a village aligned kill, which in turn is why the mafia have a role which can not only hide and stop my redirect, but also possibly stop the kill part of a redirect, should I be lucky enough to have that happen." Soooo because Metal Sonic opted to make aubisio commuter>acestic you are conftown mechnically. This is some of the WEAKEST modgaming i have heard in awhile tbh
Primarily because of proph's behavior but also as a slight smaller reason, because I feel like hawkie would be more likely to be mafia...but that goes back to the whole player metagaming that gave me headaches so w/e. I still want to do an ISO on proph but I've been procrastinating hugely so we'll see if I still have time for that tomorrow.
No mafia don't want to be tracked to a kill. But unless I'm misunderstanding how a commuter would work, aubisio couldn't do anything if someone was watching the person he killed. The only thing he would stop is if whydon were to try and watch him which does absolutely nothing for mafia because it's not like they would intentionally aim roles are one of their own normally. Also ngl, I don't think it would really matter role cop wise since that role isn't really particularly any alignment (but it is typically more town than a straight up ascetic so lol).
and a vannilizer; zzz
Did you not read what I wrote. The point behind that is that there's clear thought process there. If aubisio/mafia had realized they could block a kill with aubisio's role then why not have that in his claim initially? Or hell, even later that day. But no, clearly he got that information at some time later. Meaning the mafia were in a position where they wanted to know if they could block a kill, which has very obvious meanings.
You are completely factoring out the possibility of a legitimate role misunderstanding but i'll allow it.
Exactly...? Unless you are saying that people would be inclined to autolynch a commuter which in that case. No. That's not a role that's automatically something you lynch. A PR cop is...more so, but not quite. Neighborizer is usually something towny so that wouldn't be either. Turning again to the point where it's more likely someone like you or proph is hiding their role under a VT claim.
I'm pretty sure that's what it was initially. But then why correct it later on? If someone has a misunderstanding they don't suddenly fix it unless they have a reason to reassess their understanding of it. It doesn't just magically happen.
If you are implying a rolecop is only useful if it sics a a scum aligned role then I am done with this convo.
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