Enjoyment: 8
Competitiveness: 7
This meta is certainly better than the Arch meta, but there is a lot of work to be done.
5
Stupid triceratops with 2 broken sets that can beat Dozo. We could suspect it, but since most people here voted a 5, QB it to not waste time.
4
Imo Wogre is the most oppressive mon in the tier atm behind G-Fire. Balance teams have no way to play around it besides Dragapult and Serperior, the latter is dropping in usage. Rillaboom takes too much from Horn Leech and Pwhip. Play Rough exterminates every Dragon including Hydrapple, a mon seemingly designed to counter this thing.
This is without mentioning other options like Substitute that completely shits on Clod/Gliscor.
3
It went from a definitive 5 for me to a 4, to now a 3 or 3.5 imo. Moon is still kinda stupid, but it has clear counter-play options and flaws. It’s hard to get up a DD on anything besides Slowking-G. DD Taunt beats Toxic Gliscor but hard-loses to Gambit and Rbolt. It’s also not hard to put Moon in range of Weavile Shard or Dnite E-Speed in practice. BO and HO has RH Lando. Balance and Stall has Barb Clef. Even with Knock and Taunt, Dozo still checks it fine despite losing Boots. It often gets forced to burn Tera since Fairies and U-Turn will dent it badly. The checks found on HO/Balance/BO are not difficult to slot in. If you’re running Balance, you should be accounting for Taunt and DD 3atks anyways. Gliscor + Gambit for example covers that just fine.
3
I like Volc’s presence here. It helps check Ghold and Kyurem on Balance/BO/HO. That being said, I do see the argument of banning it. With Tera it becomes a game of guessing if it’s Tera Ground, Water, or Dragon. It is called the matchup moth for a reason. Though I feel there is consistent enough counterplay to it. CM Prim, Dnite, Moon, T-Wave Pult, AV Gking, Balloon Tran, SpD Gliscor, Ting-Lu, Clod, etc. Even at +1, stuff like Lando can trade with it to put it in range of a KO.
2
Imo not broken. reliant on Tera to not get blown up by Ground moves. The most common Ground types either outspeed it with investment or outright check it like Ting-Lu. Rain has fallen out of favor for obvious reasons. It can be punished by Encore or Dragons that live a +1 Thunderclap, which is to say alot of them. Pretty much its Gambit if Sucker Punch had an immunity.
3
Gambit is similar to Volc. It offers teams with reliable speed control, a ghost resist, and is overall an anti-cheese mon. That being said, it can still be polarizing in the lategame with Tera and items like Balloon or Lum complicating things. Gambit can also run options like Tera Fairy Blast to immediately evicerate Tusk or Tera Fighting Low Kick for Dozo and Gambit. That being said, since Gambit is the no. 1 mon in the tier rn, you’re expected to have checks to it. If you see the Gambit is holding lefties or a balloon, burn it with Pult, and make sure to pop the balloon first. If its Lum, hit it. Despite the variance with Tera, I think accounting for it in the builder is doable. Stuff like RH Taunt Lando, Tusk, Zama, Encore Val, Samu, Dozo, Skarm, Tran, etc all work fine. You could also lure it with Low Kick from Weavile or Focus Miss Gking. Like CTC said, its a bitch at times, but it’s also a necessary evil.
1
Apologies for resorting to this, but if you voted anywhere above a 3 in a meta with bulky Prim, Valiant, Clef, Gliscor, RH Lando, Ghold, Pult, Volc, Dozo, and Gking, then that’s a skill issue.
2
Just off the fact Spike stacking Balances are less popular due to other meta trends and all common forms of hazard removal threatening it (minus Corv), I think Ghold is in a state where it’s healthy. Ghold’s middling 84 Speed is starting to show its ugliness, and common weaknesses to Dark, Fire, and Ground means it gets forced to Tera or forced to switch out.
1
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Competitiveness: 7
This meta is certainly better than the Arch meta, but there is a lot of work to be done.
Stupid triceratops with 2 broken sets that can beat Dozo. We could suspect it, but since most people here voted a 5, QB it to not waste time.
Imo Wogre is the most oppressive mon in the tier atm behind G-Fire. Balance teams have no way to play around it besides Dragapult and Serperior, the latter is dropping in usage. Rillaboom takes too much from Horn Leech and Pwhip. Play Rough exterminates every Dragon including Hydrapple, a mon seemingly designed to counter this thing.
This is without mentioning other options like Substitute that completely shits on Clod/Gliscor.
It went from a definitive 5 for me to a 4, to now a 3 or 3.5 imo. Moon is still kinda stupid, but it has clear counter-play options and flaws. It’s hard to get up a DD on anything besides Slowking-G. DD Taunt beats Toxic Gliscor but hard-loses to Gambit and Rbolt. It’s also not hard to put Moon in range of Weavile Shard or Dnite E-Speed in practice. BO and HO has RH Lando. Balance and Stall has Barb Clef. Even with Knock and Taunt, Dozo still checks it fine despite losing Boots. It often gets forced to burn Tera since Fairies and U-Turn will dent it badly. The checks found on HO/Balance/BO are not difficult to slot in. If you’re running Balance, you should be accounting for Taunt and DD 3atks anyways. Gliscor + Gambit for example covers that just fine.
I like Volc’s presence here. It helps check Ghold and Kyurem on Balance/BO/HO. That being said, I do see the argument of banning it. With Tera it becomes a game of guessing if it’s Tera Ground, Water, or Dragon. It is called the matchup moth for a reason. Though I feel there is consistent enough counterplay to it. CM Prim, Dnite, Moon, T-Wave Pult, AV Gking, Balloon Tran, SpD Gliscor, Ting-Lu, Clod, etc. Even at +1, stuff like Lando can trade with it to put it in range of a KO.
Imo not broken. reliant on Tera to not get blown up by Ground moves. The most common Ground types either outspeed it with investment or outright check it like Ting-Lu. Rain has fallen out of favor for obvious reasons. It can be punished by Encore or Dragons that live a +1 Thunderclap, which is to say alot of them. Pretty much its Gambit if Sucker Punch had an immunity.
Gambit is similar to Volc. It offers teams with reliable speed control, a ghost resist, and is overall an anti-cheese mon. That being said, it can still be polarizing in the lategame with Tera and items like Balloon or Lum complicating things. Gambit can also run options like Tera Fairy Blast to immediately evicerate Tusk or Tera Fighting Low Kick for Dozo and Gambit. That being said, since Gambit is the no. 1 mon in the tier rn, you’re expected to have checks to it. If you see the Gambit is holding lefties or a balloon, burn it with Pult, and make sure to pop the balloon first. If its Lum, hit it. Despite the variance with Tera, I think accounting for it in the builder is doable. Stuff like RH Taunt Lando, Tusk, Zama, Encore Val, Samu, Dozo, Skarm, Tran, etc all work fine. You could also lure it with Low Kick from Weavile or Focus Miss Gking. Like CTC said, its a bitch at times, but it’s also a necessary evil.
Apologies for resorting to this, but if you voted anywhere above a 3 in a meta with bulky Prim, Valiant, Clef, Gliscor, RH Lando, Ghold, Pult, Volc, Dozo, and Gking, then that’s a skill issue.
Just off the fact Spike stacking Balances are less popular due to other meta trends and all common forms of hazard removal threatening it (minus Corv), I think Ghold is in a state where it’s healthy. Ghold’s middling 84 Speed is starting to show its ugliness, and common weaknesses to Dark, Fire, and Ground means it gets forced to Tera or forced to switch out.
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